1 1 HUDSON COUNTY PLANNING BOARD 2 RE: ) 3 ) MONTHLY MEETING ) 4 ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) 5 Hudson County Administration Building, Freeholders Chambers 6 567 Pavonia Avenue, Third Floor Jersey City, New Jersey 7 Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:40 p.m. 8 BEFORE: 9 RENEE BETTINGER, CHAIRWOMAN 10 MICHAEL HOLLOWAY, COMMISSIONER 11 MARY AVAGLIANO, COMMISSIONER 12 RUSHABH MEHTA, COMMISSIONER 13 JUDE FITZGIBBONS, COMMISSIONER 14 DANIEL CHOFFO, COMMISSIONER 15 DEMETRIO ARENCIBIA, COMMISSIONER 16 ALSO PRESENT: 17 THOMAS CALVANICO, ESQ., Board Attorney 18 STEPHEN MARKS, Board Secretary 19 20 Reported By: 21 Michelle Gruendel, C.S.R. 22 REPORTING SERVICES ARRANGED THROUGH: 23 VERITEXT/NEW JERSEY REPORTING COMPANY, LLC Kabot Battaglia & Hammer, Suburban Shorthand 24 Waga and Spinelli, Arthur J. Frannicola, CSR 25B Vreeland Road 25 Florham Park, New Jersey 07932 2 1 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: I'd like to 2 call to order the Meeting of the Hudson County 3 Planning Board, Wednesday, February 15th, 2006. 4 Counsellor, has the meeting been 5 properly advertised? 6 MR. CALVANICO: Yes, Madam 7 Chairlady. The meeting was properly advertised, 8 and in accordance with the Open Public Meetings 9 Act, it has been posted on the board with the 10 Clerk of the Board of Freeholders and also with 11 the County Clerk and is in compliance with the 12 statute. 13 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Mr. 14 Secretary, may I have a roll call? 15 MR. MARKS: Sure. 16 Commissioner Arencibia? 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 19 Avagliano? 20 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Here. 21 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Here. 23 MR. MARKS: Commissioner DiDomenico 24 is not present. 25 Commissioner Fitzgibbons? 3 1 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Here. 2 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 3 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Here. 4 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 5 Not present. 6 Commissioner Mehta? 7 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Here. 8 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 9 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Here. 10 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, we have a 11 quorum. 12 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Will 13 everyone please rise so we can Salute the Flag? 14 (Flag Salute takes place.) 15 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Next item on 16 the Agenda this evening is to review and adopt the 17 minutes of January 18. 18 Did all the Commissioners receive 19 the minutes? 20 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Yes. 22 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 23 motion to accept? 24 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I have a 25 motion to accept. 4 1 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: I second 2 it. 3 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 4 motion to accept the minutes of January 18th, 2006 5 made by Commissioner Fitzgibbons and seconded by 6 Commissioner Holloway: 7 Commissioner Arencibia? 8 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 9 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 10 Avagliano? 11 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 12 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 13 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 14 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 15 Fitzgibbons? 16 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 17 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 18 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 19 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 20 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: I was absent 21 that time. 22 MR. MARKS: Abstain. 23 And Chairwoman Bettinger? 24 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 25 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the motion 5 1 passed. 2 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: The next 3 item is the Public Hearing for the "DRAFT" of the 4 Official County Map Update. 5 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, as per the 6 introduction of the official -- the Draft Copy of 7 the Official County Map, as per statute 40:27-5, 8 copy of the Official County Map has been sent by 9 Certified Mail to the Mayors, Town Clerks and 10 Planning Board Secretaries of all the 11 municipalities in the county, as well as County 12 Department Directors and Organizations and 13 Agencies. Notice of this Public Hearing was also 14 published in the Jersey Journal for the three 15 prior weeks to this meeting. 16 We have a motion to open the Public 17 Hearing for the County Map. 18 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I make a 19 motion to open the hearing. 20 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second 21 it. 22 MR. MARKS: Who seconds? 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Dan Choffo. 24 MR. MARKS: Okay. Madam Chair, on 25 a motion to open the Public Meeting for the 6 1 Official County Map, on a motion made by 2 Commissioner Fitzgibbons and seconded by 3 Commissioner Choffo: 4 Commissioner Arencibia? 5 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 6 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 7 Avagliano? 8 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 9 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 10 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 11 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 12 Fitzgibbons? 13 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 14 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 15 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 16 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 17 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 19 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Are there any comments 21 from the general public on the Official County 22 Map? 23 MS. RANSOM: Hi. My name is Jessie 24 Ann Ransom. I'm a Planning Project Manager with 25 the Bayonne Local Redevelopment Authority. 7 1 I just wanted to bring to your 2 attention that the Redevelopment Authority did 3 submit comments to Stephen Marks and to Jonathan 4 Lock, and I just wanted to make you aware of what 5 our situation is. That the Redevelopment 6 Authority, already we're charged with redeveloping 7 the 430 acre former Military Ocean Terminal in 8 Bayonne, which has been named the Peninsula Bay, 9 and we adopted our Redevelopment Plan in December, 10 2004. We're in the transition -- we're in the 11 process of implementing a Redevelopment Plan. 12 Some of our comments included removal of some 13 roads, and that's no longer accurate information 14 because it doesn't exist there any more as the 15 Military Ocean Terminal. We also had some 16 comments about adding additional information, such 17 as a park, which we're in the process of 18 developing. Also, the Cruise Port which currently 19 exists on the site, and then we also have our full 20 Redevelopment Plan that was adopted in 2004 that 21 we, we went -- we actually just got Planning 22 Board, the City of Bayonne Planning Board approval 23 last night for a subdivision, to layout the major 24 roads on the plan, and that will obviously be 25 going to the county within the next five days, so 8 1 we're really in a transition period at those roads 2 that we're laying out there, not dedicated public 3 right-of-ways, and we don't have names for those 4 streets now, but we do hope to be able to have 5 continued dialogue as this is developed, and we'll 6 get those on the map. Our main interest, we 7 request that the inaccurate information be 8 removed, the new items that are on the property 9 are included, and that we can have this continued 10 dialogue with the evolving redevelopment there. 11 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Thank you. 12 MS. RANSOM: Thank you. 13 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Any 14 comments? 15 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Did you 16 receive anything from Bayonne? 17 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, to date we 18 have received comments, written comments from most 19 of the towns. In the interest of public planning 20 purposes and public awareness, the draft map has 21 been posted to the county's website. We also have 22 a copy of the Official, the Draft Official Map in 23 the Office of the Division of Planning for public 24 inspection. We have received back most of the 25 comments from most of the municipalities, as well 9 1 as other county agencies and organizations. We 2 did receive comment from the Bayonne Local 3 Redevelopment Authority and we will be making 4 those changes accordingly. When we update the map 5 for next month, the Board will have copy of all 6 the comments, the written comments that have come 7 in for your edification. 8 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I got a 9 question. 10 Was all the redevelopment -- the 11 development in Hoboken, Jersey City, all over 12 Hudson County, Harrison, could that map be amended 13 to upgrade the map? Like, if we have a few more 14 streets added, once we adopt this map, for future 15 reference, we can always upgrade it, right? 16 MR. MARKS: Sure. We -- Madam 17 Chair, through you, we could always either on an 18 annual basis or biannual basis just do an update 19 to the Official County Map, and it's always good 20 when you literally run out of maps to give away, 21 the printed copies, and we can go through this 22 process again next year or two years. 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. 24 MR. MARKS: So you're always, you 25 know, you're always adding to make changes. 10 1 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: You 2 could always amend it to new development? 3 MR. MARKS: Yes. 4 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. 5 MR. MARKS: Are there any other 6 comments from the general public? 7 Seeing none, Madam Chair, may I 8 have a motion to close the Public Hearing for the 9 Draft? 10 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 11 motion? 12 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Motion. 13 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I'll make 14 the motion -- second. 15 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 16 motion by Commissioner Holloway and seconded by 17 Commissioner Avagliano, to close the Public 18 Meeting -- I mean the Public Hearing for the 19 Official County Map: 20 Commissioner Arencibia? 21 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 22 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 23 Avagliano? 24 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 25 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 11 1 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 2 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 3 Fitzgibbons? 4 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 5 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 6 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 7 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 8 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 9 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 10 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 11 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the Public 12 Hearing for the Official County Map is closed. 13 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. Thank 14 you for -- thank the Town of Bayonne for coming 15 this evening. 16 The next item is the Status of the 17 Applications, memorialization of the resolutions 18 approved at the last meeting. 19 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, Item 6A on 20 the Agenda, memorialization of resolutions 21 approved at last meeting, we have application 22 SD-106-05, South Shore Village II LH Corp., 23 located at Block 192, Lot 27, Block 12, Lots 4, 5, 24 6, 7 and 8 in Bayonne; SP-117-05, Victor Ghatus, 25 applicant, located at 3629 Kennedy Boulevard in 12 1 Jersey City; SD-01-06, SLH Holding Corp., located 2 at 383 Sixth Street in Jersey City; application 3 SP-02-06, Nextel of New York, located at 3101-3117 4 Dell Avenue in North Bergen; and SP-04-06, 5 Omnipoint Communications, located at 102-106 6 Kennedy Boulevard in Bayonne. 7 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 8 motion? 9 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll make a 10 motion. 11 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I'll 12 second it. 13 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 14 motion made by Commissioner Choffo and seconded by 15 Commissioner Fitzgibbons: 16 Commissioner Arencibia? 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 19 Avagliano? 20 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 21 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 23 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 24 Fitzgibbons? 25 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 13 1 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 2 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 3 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 4 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 5 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 7 MR. MARKS: Chair, the motion 8 passed. 9 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. 10 Applications declared to be exempt. 11 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on Section 12 6B of the Agenda, application SD-06-06, J&P Homes 13 Development, LLC, located at 164-166 Clerk Street 14 in Jersey City; application SD-11-06, Amjad Mirza, 15 located at 126-130 Old Bergen Avenue in Jersey 16 City; and application SP-14-06, Cingular Wireless, 17 located at 410 Washington Street in Hoboken. 18 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 19 motion? 20 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Motion to 21 accept. 22 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 23 second? 24 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second 25 it. 14 1 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 2 motion to accept the applications declared to be 3 exempt made by Commissioner Avagliano and seconded 4 by Commissioner Choffo: 5 Commissioner Arencibia? 6 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 7 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 8 Avagliano? 9 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 10 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 11 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 12 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 13 Fitzgibbons? 14 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 15 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 16 Holloway? 17 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 19 He's not here. 20 Commissioner Mehta? 21 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 22 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 24 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the motion 25 passed. 15 1 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: First 2 application this evening on the Agenda. 3 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, for 4 Section 6C on the Agenda, site plans and 5 subdivision scheduled for Public Hearing this 6 evening, application SP-83-05, Michael P. Gorman, 7 applicant, located at 451-457 14th Street in 8 Hoboken. 9 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Good 10 evening. 11 MR. MISSEY: Good evening. I'm 12 Andrew Missey with Lapatka Associates, here on 13 behalf of Mr. Gorman. 14 We appeared before the Board in 15 December of last year and discussed with you 16 what's proposed, and out of that meeting, the one 17 issue that we are returning to you to resolve 18 tonight has to do with the resurfacing of the 14th 19 Street frontage. If you might recall, the issue 20 had to do with the fact that the street is, at the 21 present time, partially cobblestone and partially 22 asphalt paved. I presented to you at that time an 23 exhibit demonstrating that right now it's, it's 24 about 50 percent cobblestone and 50 percent 25 asphalt paved. Our proposal, as shown on the 16 1 plans, is to pave Mr. Gorman's half of the 2 frontage in asphalt so that there's a smooth 3 wearing course on the 14th Street frontage as well 4 as the Hoboken streets, Jefferson and Adams, and 5 that is how we propose to resolve the issue. 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Mr. 7 Arencibia, do you have any comments? 8 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: That's 9 exactly what we wanted the applicant to do, so 10 when you are ready to do the work, you have to 11 come in to the County Engineer's Office for the 12 permit and we'll set up a meeting to go through 13 the work with the contractors. 14 MR. MISSEY: That's very 15 acceptable. 16 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do any of 17 the other Commissioners have any comments? No? 18 Do I have a motion to accept this 19 application? 20 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I'll 21 make a motion to accept. 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second 23 it. 24 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 25 motion made by Commissioner Fitzgibbons and 17 1 seconded by Commissioner Choffo: 2 Commissioner Arencibia? 3 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I vote 4 aye. 5 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye, with 6 the condition that you sent in the letter of 7 February 6th. 8 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 9 Avagliano? 10 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I vote 11 aye. 12 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 13 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 14 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 15 Fitzgibbons? 16 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 17 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 18 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 19 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 20 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 21 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 22 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: I vote aye, 23 with the conditions stated with the County 24 Engineer. 25 MR. MISSEY: Thank you, very much. 18 1 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the next 2 application for Public Hearing is SP-102-05, 3 Rockefeller Foreign Trade Zone, located at County 4 Road in Jersey City. 5 MR. BINNEY: Good evening. My name 6 is Jerry Binney. I'm with the Law Firm of 7 DeCotiis, Fitzpatrick, Cole & Wisler. I'm 8 representing the applicant, The Rockefeller Group 9 Development Corporation. 10 This application pertains to The 11 Rockefeller Group Foreign Trade Zone on County 12 Road in Jersey City, Block 1002, Lot 2, Block 13 1100, Lot 1, Block 1101, Lot 1. This tract, which 14 is currently vacant, is zoned as Intermodal B 15 Zone. The total area is approximately 40 acres, 16 with impervious area of approximately 23.7 acres. 17 The Rockefeller Group is proposing two warehouse 18 buildings with a gross buildable area of 539,500 19 square feet. Loading areas and parking for 78 20 tractor trailers and 418 cars will be provided. 21 This project includes a new access driveway on 22 Kennedy Road and the widening of an existing 23 driveway, and two detention basins and a new 24 sanitary force main within the county 25 right-of-way. I should also mention that we are 19 1 very close, we're running a parallel tract with 2 receiving approval from the New Jersey Meadowlands 3 Commission for this project. 4 With me tonight are Clark Machemer 5 of The Rockefeller Group and Richard Burrow of 6 Langan Engineering. Mr. Burrow will be doing a 7 presentation, brief presentation on the project in 8 a few minutes. Also available on any of the 9 traffic issues is Mr. Bill Lothian of Langan 10 Engineering. He's also here in the audience. 11 First, just for a quick moment, I'd 12 like to introduce Mr. Machemer of The Rockefeller 13 Group. He'd like to say a few words about The 14 Rockefeller Group and this project. 15 MR. MACHEMER: Commissioners, Madam 16 Chair, my name is Clark Machemer with The 17 Rockefeller Group. I'm Assistant Vice-President 18 of Development. 19 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Counsellor, 20 do we need to swear him in? 21 MR. CALVANICO: Yeah. I guess we 22 can. 23 CLARK MACHEMER, having been first duly sworn 24 according to law, testified as follows: 25 MR. MACHEMER: Just a quick 20 1 background for Rockefeller Group, we've been 2 active in New Jersey developing primarily office 3 and warehouse developments for the past 25 years. 4 Over those 25 years, we've probably developed in 5 excess of 10 million square feet from Morris 6 County to Middlesex County, Mercer County, Essex 7 County. Currently, we have not identified any 8 tenants for this site. However, the tenant 9 interest in this site is strong. A number of 10 tenants have submitted RFP's and we are in 11 communication and negotiations with those tenants, 12 but at the current time, we have not identified a 13 specific tenant. 14 One unique thing about this 15 project, we'll be seeking from the Foreign Trade 16 Zone Board, which is a division under the US 17 Department of Commerce, Foreign Trade Zone 18 Licenses, which we think will add to the 19 attractiveness of the site. Companies that would 20 be located in this facility for success in the 21 Foreign Trade Zone License would be able to 22 realize some duty savings through the Customs 23 Department. A number of benefits to the 24 surrounding area in the community, we would 25 anticipate, depending upon the ultimate tenant 21 1 that is identified, to have about 250 to 400 jobs, 2 creating real estate taxes between $750,000 and up 3 to a million dollars. Those numbers are obviously 4 dependent upon the actual tenant that we secure. 5 Thank you. 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Thank you. 7 MR. BURROW: Good evening. I am 8 Richard Burrow with Langan Engineering & 9 Environmental Services of Elmwood Park, New 10 Jersey. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Civil 11 Engineering from the University of Glascow in 12 Scotland, and I am a Licensed Professional 13 Engineer in the State of New Jersey. 14 RICHARD BURROW, having been first duly sworn 15 according to law, testified as follows: 16 MR. BURROW: I'd like to outline a 17 brief presentation about the application tonight, 18 and then go on to answer some of the issues that 19 were raised by the County Engineer and their 20 consultant in the exchange we've had. 21 This figure here is a 400 scale 22 aerial photograph of -- 23 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Excuse me. 24 Madam Chair, could he bring that up a little 25 closer so the rest of the Commissioners can see 22 1 it? 2 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Sure. 3 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: The 4 microphone's not on. 5 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Come up over 6 here. 7 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Just so 8 everyone can actually see it. 9 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: That's a 10 good spot. We can see that. 11 MR. BURROW: You guys can hear me 12 okay? 13 So just to locate the site for us 14 in Hudson County, this is Tonnelle Avenue, 15 Secaucus Road and County Road, in red here is the 16 new interchange, Exit 15 off the New Jersey 17 Turnpike, so the site is a 40 acre site, in the 18 middle of the photograph here, outlined in red, 19 and of that 40 acre, slightly under 30 acre is our 20 plan, where we're going to develop. As you can 21 see, the site fronts on County Road at the moment, 22 and you want me to do -- 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Is that the 24 post office, right there? 25 MR. BURROW: Yeah. This is the 23 1 international facility. That is immediately 2 adjacent to us. 3 Thanks, Bob. 4 This figure here is a more detailed 5 plan showing specific development. We have two 6 buildings perpendicular to County Road with two 7 full access driveways. On the site there's two 8 detention basins which are there to provide water 9 quality, and we have loading docks on both sides 10 of the larger building, which is almost 400,000 11 square feet. We have parking along the front of 12 the building and provision for additional parking 13 to the rear. We have trailer storage spaces to 14 the side and to the rear of the larger building, 15 between the -- 16 MR. CALVANICO: Excuse me. I just 17 want to identify the photographs for the record, 18 so that we're clear. 19 Have these been previously 20 submitted to us? 21 MR. BURROW: These illustrate the, 22 just more clearly, the details that have been 23 previously submitted in the site plan. I could 24 technically show exhibits, if you'd like. 25 MR. CALVANICO: Let the -- okay. 24 1 MR. BURROW: The first one is an 2 aerial photograph, which we'll call Exhibit A-1, 3 and the second one is a rendering of the site plan 4 which was submitted to the Board, and we'll call 5 that Exhibit A-2, so this is -- the second 6 building is smaller, 145,000 square feet, and it 7 has loading docks only on one side. It shares 8 trailer spaces with the larger building, has 9 parking proposed at the front of the site and then 10 additional parking can be installed at the rear, 11 and there's a fire lane which goes around the 12 entire site. We have full access driveways on to 13 County Road. As you can see, there's a 14 significant portion of this site, slightly over 10 15 acres, which has not been developed. That's 16 because that part of the site is wetland. The 17 flood elevation in this area is five -- or 18 proposed finished floors are elevation 13, so 19 we're significantly above that, and we are seeking 20 approval from New Jersey DEP for stream 21 encroachment and from the Army Corp. of Engineers 22 for filling .02 of an acre of wetland, so, 23 essentially, our development is combined -- 24 confined to the outlined portion of the site and 25 the wetland impacts are only for storm water. Of 25 1 course, we've minimized both as much as we can. 2 One of the off site impacts of our 3 proposal is the sanitary sewer. This figure we'll 4 title A-3. Again, this is a color-rendering 5 which, the contents of which are contained in the 6 package submitted. This hopefully just makes it a 7 little more clear, so our site is over here, to 8 the left, and this is County Road, right along the 9 middle of this, the drawing. There's no sanitary 10 sewer adjacent to the site right now, so we're 11 going to install a small sanitary pump station. 12 Because the warehouse development has relatively 13 low fluids, only slightly lower than 5,000 gallons 14 per day, we have one small pump and an 15 inch-and-a-quarter force main that would be 16 installed along the southern site of County Road 17 within the right-of-way but not in the actual 18 pavement on the road, like along the sidewalk 19 and -- which is going to connect to the 48 inch 20 combined sewer interceptor which runs along 21 Tonnelle Avenue going toward the Passaic Valley 22 Sewerage Commission Plant. 23 I'd like to go on now to address a 24 couple of questions that, or comments from T&M 25 Associates in their letter and originally dated 26 1 December 15th and then revised February 7th, and I 2 believe there are three specific points in this 3 letter which they asked us to give testimony on. 4 The first point is point 1.1, where 5 they ask, the applicant should testify whether the 6 proposed project will cause County Road, the cars 7 back-up on intersection of, it says Manhattan 8 Avenue and Manhattan, but we clarified that, it's 9 Route 1&9 and Manhattan Avenue, since 30 percent 10 of the new trips from the site use the 11 intersection. We reviewed our traffic study for 12 the intersection and during evening peak hour we 13 calculate approximately 56 vehicles will use that 14 intersection, which is only one additional vehicle 15 every minute during the weekly evening peak hour, 16 so we perceive that this is no perceivable change 17 to the existing patterns at that intersection. 18 Other points that they asked us to 19 give specific testimony on, point 1.7, we had 20 submitted a figure in our traffic report and it 21 showed the truck turning movements within the 22 site, and that figure incorrectly showed -- this 23 figure here, which is Truck Turning Template. It 24 wasn't included in the traffic report. 25 MR. CALVANICO: Identify which 27 1 document that is. 2 MR. BURROW: This would be Exhibit 3 A-4, Truck Turning Template, and was identified as 4 Drawing T-3 in the traffic report. 5 In the traffic report -- I'm 6 sorry. This here is the eastern -- I'm sorry, 7 western side of the site where there's tractor 8 trailer storage on one side of the driveway and 9 the loading docks on the other side, so the 10 building is here, so we have a 70 foot wide 11 corridor for maneuverability. The figure that was 12 submitted originally incorrectly showed the 13 tractors or cabs on the front of every trailer. 14 Typically, in a warehouse facility the tractors 15 come in, drop the trailer off and then pick up 16 another trailer and leave, so this figure 17 illustrates that without tractors on every, on 18 every trailer. The maneuverability works, no 19 problem at all, and this illustrates the actual 20 conditions we expect on this site. We actually 21 did the quick count on the facility next door, and 22 that's a huge facility, and that was only three 23 tractors, actually, on any of the trailers and at 24 the time we photographed that. 25 The other point that we've been 28 1 asked to testify to, point 1.8, the applicant 2 proposes 210 foot driveway curb-cuts which exceeds 3 the county requirements, and the -- that 210 feet 4 is required because the truck maneuverability, 5 however, the applicant should consider a 6 maintained alley crosswalk for pedestrian safety, 7 and I'll refer to Drawing 01.0, site plan which 8 was included in the package. This will be Exhibit 9 A-5. The two driveways referred to are shown on 10 the bottom here on County Road. County Road right 11 now has a sidewalk on the opposite side of the 12 road, and it really is very little pedestrian 13 traffic on County Road, and there's also no 14 sidewalk to get pedestrians who may be working on 15 the building on to County Road or to cross County 16 Road, so we're not sure the pedestrian refuge in 17 the middle of the intersection is really a 18 requirement, because we don't anticipate there 19 being any pedestrians in that area. 20 I don't know if you'd like to 21 comment on it, Demetrio. 22 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Well, T&M 23 made that comment. It's true, the sidewalks are 24 on the side, but you're nearby a new sidewalk, 25 actually, a new crosswalk not that far from the 29 1 bridge that goes over Penhorn Creek, there's a 2 crosswalk just to the east of that bridge, and you 3 might want to consider having a crosswalk to that 4 sidewalk, to that crosswalk from your site, so 5 it's something, maybe a minor cost to you, but it 6 should be something you might want to look at. 7 That way you do have pedestrian access. 8 MR. BURROW: May I refer back to 9 figure A-2, then? 10 So the property ends here. Where 11 is -- can you see that? 12 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: The 13 bridge? 14 MR. BURROW: The bridge is back 15 here. 16 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Probably 17 doesn't show it because we just put in the 18 crosswalk in 2005, like, in the summer. 19 MR. BURROW: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: So I'm not 21 sure when your aerial photo was taken, but it's 22 about right next to the driveway, to the next 23 property, right, right around there there's a, 24 there's a crosswalk, so just continuing to the 25 first driveway, just, you know, building a 30 1 sidewalk from there to, to about the crosswalk, 2 because that's a driveway, to the next driveway 3 and then that really should, should cover you in 4 having pedestrian access. 5 MR. BURROW: So it would just be on 6 this driveway? 7 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Right. 8 That way the pedestrians can come in through the 9 driveway. There was no crosswalk, there was no 10 sidewalk on County Road until 2005. We saw a need 11 for it because people walk in the street if 12 there's no crosswalk or sidewalk, so -- 13 MR. BINNEY: Madam Chair, if I 14 could, a question -- I'm sorry. 15 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: That's 16 okay. We can't see each other. 17 MR. BINNEY: The property you're 18 talking about is not the property for The 19 Rockefeller Group, though, correct? Are you 20 talking about the sidewalk? 21 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: I'm not 22 sure what you're asking. 23 MR. BINNEY: Exactly what piece of 24 property are you talking about, where you're 25 talking about the sidewalk, crosswalk? 31 1 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: It's in 2 front of Rockefeller Group from the western most 3 driveway, going westward to your property. It's a 4 short piece. Your aerial doesn't show the 5 crosswalk. 6 MR. BURROW: Agreed, but we 7 don't -- would there not be a break -- like this 8 yellow line's our property line, so would it -- I 9 don't think the pedestrian crosswalk is over here. 10 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: The 11 crosswalk is right at the end of that driveway, 12 the adjacent property. Right there, right. It's 13 right at the end of the driveway. 14 MR. BINNEY: Talking here. 15 MR. BURROW: The crosswalk's here, 16 then we have a sidewalk from there to there. 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Right. 18 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Jackie, do 19 you have any comments from T&M to clarify? 20 MS. FLOR: Basically, Demetrio 21 basically made it clear, Madam Chair. We had the 22 Site Committee Meeting where we review the site 23 and adjacent to the site there's some pedestrian 24 traffic. Now, I understand what Langan's point 25 is. They want to keep the pedestrians on the 32 1 other side of the road because of the heavy truck 2 traffic that they have. However, what Demetrio is 3 trying to explain is, pedestrians are already on 4 that side of the road because of the crosswalk, 5 and so what the Board needs to decide is, 6 basically, do they want it extended to this 7 driveway, and, if so, then there should be a, 8 there should be a safe area in the center of the 9 driveway because 210 feet is too far. If you are 10 going to encourage pedestrians to be on that side 11 of the road, then something is going to be needed 12 in the middle of the driveway in order to add a 13 place for them to stop and then walk the rest of 14 the way. 15 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Thank you. 16 MS. FLOR: You're welcome. 17 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Mr. 18 Arencibia, did you see the crosswalk where it 19 was? 20 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Oh, yes. 21 It's not shown on the aerial because, like I 22 said -- 23 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: It's not 24 where it belongs? 25 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: -- six 33 1 months ago is when we installed the crosswalk. We 2 installed the sidewalk on the southern side, so 3 all I'm asking, really, is to provide a connection 4 to that crosswalk. 5 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Can it be 6 corrected? 7 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: If you 8 want, I can show you on the aerial where that 9 crosswalk is. 10 It's right here. The sidewalk is 11 on this side. The actual sidewalk continues on 12 this side here and then it goes on this side. 13 MR. BURROW: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: So all I'm 15 asking is for you to build your sidewalk to this 16 driveway along here, just provide a little 17 connection. In case people want to walk, they can 18 continue here and walk this way or they can 19 continue to walk on this way, but we are build -- 20 this crosswalk, this sidewalk is not in yet, but 21 it will be in and this one's already in. 22 MR. BURROW: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Okay. It 24 looks like about 50 feet or something. 25 MR. BURROW: No. It's more than 34 1 that. It's like 250. 2 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: There's a 3 crosswalk in front of their property? 4 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: On the 5 other side of the street there's a crosswalk there 6 now -- I mean a sidewalk. 7 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Sidewalk? 8 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Yeah. 9 MR. CALVANICO: Madam Chairlady, if 10 I may, maybe I could help a little, because I'm 11 not sure that it's very clear what's going on 12 here. 13 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: No, it's 14 not. 15 MR. CALVANICO: The way the 16 sidewalk has been constructed on County Road, it's 17 on the south side of the road for part of the way 18 and it's on the north side of the road in another 19 section, so it comes up and that's why there's a 20 crosswalk that comes across, that's what 21 Demetrio's talking about, and then continuing 22 west, towards Secaucus, it's on the right side of 23 the road, the north side of the road, so their 24 property is just east of that crosswalk. What 25 Demetrio is suggesting is that they construct that 35 1 short bit of sidewalk from their property to the 2 new sidewalk continuing west towards Secaucus in 3 case anyone wants to walk it. 4 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Right. 5 MR. BURROW: I know. 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. 7 MR. BURROW: So the crossing is 8 here, the sidewalk right now goes this way, so 9 people can walk along County Road, cross over here 10 and go here. Demetrio's asking that we extend the 11 sidewalk from this driveway to our property line 12 here, which we can do, but we would be a little 13 concerned that people actually walking somewhere 14 other than our building are going to come to our 15 building and then be stuck and have to cross 16 County Road. 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Well, I 18 wouldn't worry about that. I would worry more 19 about somebody that works at your facility that 20 wants to walk, that's not getting there by car and 21 has to walk in the street. 22 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Can the 23 problem be corrected? 24 MR. BURROW: Well, I mean, we can 25 redo this. We can work out the details. 36 1 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Can it be 3 corrected? 4 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yes. 5 MR. BURROW: I'm sorry. 6 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Can the 7 problem be corrected? 8 MR. BURROW: Can we extend our 9 sidewalk from here to here? 10 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Yeah. 11 MR. BURROW: As long as there's 12 sufficient outline there along the side of the 13 road. 14 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: It can be 15 worked out. 16 MR. BURROW: Okay. And the other 17 point, point 3.2 in the T&M letter is regarding 18 the fill that's going to be imported on to the 19 site for ground improvement. We're going to be 20 implementing a surcharge program. This drawing 21 here is 23.02. It was in your package. I guess 22 we're up to Exhibit A-5. 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Up to six, 24 A-6. 25 MR. BURROW: A-6. 37 1 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: See, we were 2 paying attention. 3 MR. BURROW: Thank you. 4 These areas hatched in gray, you 5 can see, somewhat similar to the building 6 outlines. Building one here, because the 7 different subsurface conditions, this portion of 8 grounds here closest to County Road, the soil is 9 essentially stronger, and over here, there's 10 compressible layers under the soil, and obviously 11 we don't want soil to converse under the building, 12 so we install a 12 foot high pile of soil which 13 would essentially simulate the weight of the 14 building so it won't compress, and then when we 15 take the soil away, put the building back in place 16 so it won't move any more, so we plan to bring on 17 260,000 cubic yards of fill for the surcharge 18 operation, and I don't know if you can -- can you 19 guys all see this? 20 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: No. 21 MR. BURROW: If you can remember 22 what this looks like, I'll talk to the shadow, and 23 the question from the letter is, the applicant 24 should testify how many trucks are expected to 25 deliver the fill and remove the fill from the 38 1 site. This is a construction shed for grounds 2 improvement program, and this will be Exhibit 3 A-7. This was not in the package that you were 4 submitted. This schedule is the basis for full 5 permit which has been approved by the New Jersey 6 Meadowlands Commission, so what would happen is, 7 over the first 17 weeks we'd be importing the 8 260,000 cubic yards of fill that sits on the site 9 for approximately 20 weeks, then remove most of 10 that fill from building one to building two, sits 11 on building two for about 20 weeks, a little bit 12 of overlap, and then the end, take off 120,000 13 yards of fill and dispose of it, and our fill 14 permit from the Meadowlands Commission does have 15 some specific restrictions on when we can bring 16 fill and the rate we can bring fill on. We're 17 limited to 300 trucks a day, which works out 18 approximately 18 trucks per hour, and the schedule 19 outlined here relies basically on about 200 trucks 20 a day for bringing fill on to the site and about 21 250 trucks a day for bringing fill off the site, 22 so we believe this should not be a problem 23 complying with the 300 trucks a day limit. 24 The last question in this same 25 point is, indicate about cleaning up the road 39 1 after we've -- you know, during this process, and 2 again, the Meadowlands Commission's approval 3 stipulates that we clear the road on an as-needed 4 basis, and we will be complying with this. 5 Then, finally, the T&M letter asks 6 about any damage to the road because the trucking 7 operation, and County Road obviously is already a 8 very busy road, but the applicant agrees to be -- 9 they have to pay for damage due to the trucks that 10 are used to bring fill on to the site. 11 That concludes the response to 12 these questions that were posed in this letter, 13 but if you have any more questions, I'd gladly -- 14 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 15 Chair, I have a question. 16 You said approximately 300 trucks 17 per day? 18 MR. BURROW: Yes. 19 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: How many 20 days are we talking? 21 MR. BURROW: How many days in 22 total? 23 The whole process is a year, and 24 the trucks here, which are bringing the fill on, 25 will be importing fill up until here, which is 23 40 1 weeks, and that's based on working about 2 five-and-a-half days, because we're -- the fill 3 permit doesn't allow to work on holidays or 4 Sundays, so, and then all the work will be on 5 site, and then at the end, we have about a week 6 window when we'd be taking the material off the 7 site. 8 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: What type 9 of dump trucks are we talking about? Are we 10 talking about these earth movers or regular dump 11 trucks? 12 MR. BURROW: Regular dump trucks 13 that go on the road. 14 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I got a 15 question for you. 16 The turnpike and 1&9, the DOT, is 17 there any, being that it's close to the turnpike 18 and the DOT, Department of Transportation, and 19 1&9, do they have any rules or regulations on 20 that? 21 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Well, I 22 think they have to comply with the normal Federal 23 Regulations on the weight limits, and they don't 24 exceed 80,000 pounds, and that's customary. 25 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I mean, 41 1 not only that, what about the traffic that will 2 come off of that exit because of the new, the 3 interchange? 4 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Yeah. 5 Right now that area is under construction, with 6 the new turnpike exit, it's already opened, the 7 new County Road, County Road interchange is under 8 construction, a utility work phase is currently 9 taking place, a lot of traffic problems there 10 right now. The at grade railroad crossing, 11 sometimes trains get stuck there for a half hour 12 or more, and that just can affect your operation. 13 It will affect the traffic. 14 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Mr. 15 Arencibia, do you have a full traffic report on 16 this application? 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Yes. Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: And it 19 meets your approval? 20 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Yeah. Our 21 consultant, T&M Associates, reviewed it and 22 provided comments. 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Jaclyn, do 24 you have any comments? 25 MS. FLOR: I do. 42 1 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: T&M has some 2 comments, Mary. 3 MS. FLOR: We did review the 4 traffic report, but I did have a question 5 regarding the fill permit and the 300 trucks per 6 day, because I don't believe that that was 7 analyzed at the driveway to this truck activity in 8 your traffic report, so my question would be, is 9 that Langan demonstrated 18 trucks per hour, and 10 your fill permit states that that's between the 11 hours of 6:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m., so what was 12 done was, they counted the number of hours from 13 6:00 a.m. to 11 and they divided that by 300 14 trucks and they got 18 trucks per hour, but my 15 question would be, is that -- is the construction 16 really going to occur until 11 o'clock at night or 17 are we looking at most of the operations occurring 18 in the daylight, so would the correct calculation 19 actually be from 6:00 a.m. until maybe 6:00 p.m., 20 when it's bright outside? 21 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Rush hour, 22 too. 23 MS. FLOR: Yeah, plus rush hour. 24 So would that be the more accurate -- what would 25 be the actual -- don't take a straight number of 43 1 hours divided by 300, but the actual construction 2 hours of the day, how many trucks is that, and did 3 anyone look at the driveways to see how many 4 trucks are going to back up on County Road and how 5 many gaps there are and what the level of service 6 is going to be of your driveways during 7 construction, that would by my question. 8 MR. BURROW: I can certainly talk 9 to the first part of that. 10 I mean, the numbers we have 11 presented on our schedule don't equate to 300 12 trucks a day. This actually is based on bringing 13 on 2,000 yards a day, which is only 167 trucks, 14 and in my testimony earlier, I mentioned likely 15 200 trucks, so that would fit into that tame 16 window. I mean, essentially, the use of that 17 window by about a third, and our truck numbers on 18 a basic schedule comply with that. If we were 19 behind schedule, then likely we would have to work 20 longer hours to accommodate those trucks, even on 21 the site, because the site is huge, so I think 22 our, our plan works within the exchange that you 23 are planning. I mean, I can't talk right now 24 about the level of service at this junction during 25 construction. I haven't gotten to that. 44 1 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I wonder 2 if there's a local city ordinance that certain 3 hours construction has to cease. I mean, if 8:00 4 p.m. -- I mean, I don't know. Is there a Jersey 5 City ordinance that from 6:00 to 8 o'clock at 6 night you can work, but after 8 o'clock at 7 night -- I know in Hoboken, which is a small 8 community, at 8 o'clock you'd have to shut down 9 and cease all activities. 10 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 11 Chair, I think that if the applicant got a special 12 permit from the city, that you're actually going 13 to be working until 11:00 p.m. 14 That's the time you said you shut 15 off, right? 16 MR. BURROW: Permits from the 17 Meadowlands Commission limit us to -- on the 18 working hours of 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. I mean, 19 I think you can see from the other exhibits I've 20 shown, our site -- you know, Hoboken's residential 21 community. Our site here is next to international 22 mail facility, which is, you know, a 24-hour a day 23 facility already, so it's not like we're 24 introducing truck traffic to residential area at 25 night. We're introducing truck traffic to a 45 1 24-hour trucking area. 2 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: We're 3 talking about construction. 4 MR. BURROW: Pardon me. 5 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: We're 6 not talking about mail service. We're talking 7 about construction. 8 MR. BURROW: But I, I, I don't 9 understand your point. Sorry. 10 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: There's 11 a difference, a difference there. 12 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: I think 13 what he's trying to say is, you're moving dirt. 14 MR. BURROW: Yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: It's a 16 24-hour business. You're actually moving dirt to 17 a major road, and I don't even see how you could 18 do that at night, anyway. 19 You have spot lights out there? 20 MR. BURROW: I mean, it's a 21 trucking operation. The trucks, the same as the 22 trucks are coming and going with mail, our trucks 23 are coming and going with dirt. They dump the 24 dirt on the site. It will get pieced around by a 25 bulldozer into these big stock piles and then when 46 1 it's moved from one building to the other, you 2 know, I already stated, it's going to go from six 3 in the morning to 11 at night, and then when 4 we're -- again, it's a trucking operation, the 5 same as the mail facility and the same as the 6 intermodal facility. 7 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Commissioner 8 Mehta? 9 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: If you 10 realize, when you are travelling on Route 1&9, 11 south of Pulaski Skyway, sometimes because of, 12 whatever, the Holland Tunnel traffic or some other 13 traffic, you can have a back-up up to the, 14 sometimes the Secaucus distance, Secaucus Road, 15 and while you can -- they are counting 300 trucks 16 per day, I think it will be -- includes too much 17 traffic in that particular area, and if, for 18 whatever reason, if there's one accident or 19 something happens, it backs up the entire, stops 20 entire traffic, so I think if they do the traffic 21 study, you can do properly from 7:00 o'clock to 22 10:00 o'clock in the morning and 4:00 o'clock to 23 7:00 o'clock in the evening, which is very peak 24 hours, and all the office area and after, even 25 this site will start working, and if we develop, 47 1 they are saying they need 400 car parking space, 2 so assuming that 400 people is going to work 3 there, so if 300 to 400 people are going to work 4 and they are going to come between 8:00 o'clock to 5 9:00 o'clock at the work site, even the traffic 6 pattern, considering it will be heavy traffic 7 change in the entire system, so I suggest that you 8 have the proper traffic counts as well as the 9 traffic study on this particular project. 10 MR. LOTHIAN: Can I answer that? 11 My name is William Lothian. 12 WILLIAM LOTHIAN, having been first duly sworn 13 according to law, testified as follows: 14 MR. CALVANICO: Please give just 15 your name and affiliation. 16 MR. LOTHIAN: Yes. My name is 17 William Lothian, Licensed Professional Engineer in 18 the State of New Jersey. I am a Senior Associate 19 in the firm of -- 20 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Excuse me. 21 Wait a minute. One moment. 22 MR. LOTHIAN: -- Langan Engineering 23 & Environmental Services. I'm Director of Traffic 24 and Transportation Section. 25 To respond to some of the questions 48 1 on the traffic, several traffic reports had been 2 submitted, not only to Jersey City, but to the 3 county. The county has reviewed them. Also, the 4 Meadowlands Commission. We've responded to all of 5 the traffic generating questions. These have all 6 been responded to in the report. In fact, the 7 construction traffic numbers that we're talking 8 about, the truck traffic will actually be less on 9 an hourly basis than the ultimate build out of the 10 traffic operation with the automobiles that may be 11 bringing the workers, the employees into the 12 facility. When you're looking -- when you break 13 down the truck operation into the smallest 14 components, it's like one truck on the order of 15 every three minutes on average. If you see one 16 truck exiting a facility maybe three minutes 17 later, and if you sat there for three minutes and 18 waited for another truck to come by, it's a long 19 time. You'll get very bored, so there's -- we've 20 done gap studies out there, we've indicated that 21 there's sufficient gaps in the traffic on County 22 Road to not only let the truck traffic exit, but 23 also to enter, so the operation of level of 24 service is very good, and it's going to be less 25 during the construction period than it will be 49 1 ultimately, that we've already identified in our 2 traffic reports, so I think we've covered all the 3 basis regarding the truck operations. 4 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Where are the 5 traffic level as of today on the County Road? 6 MR. LOTHIAN: Well, just to give 7 you an idea, in our traffic report, we assumed in 8 our report that Allied Junction was going to be 9 completely occupied, four or five million square 10 feet of office space, and that traffic was going 11 to be on County Road. We did an analysis that 12 that traffic was there. It's not. It never, may 13 never be there. It may be there, but our 14 assessment is conservative. The fact that we've 15 taken into consideration other traffic that's not 16 going to be on the road system, so the operation 17 of level of service will actually be better once 18 we build and get completed than what we have in 19 our report, and a good portion of our traffic is 20 not going toward the 1&9 corridor. The majority 21 of the traffic is actually going the opposite 22 direction, toward County Road, and also toward the 23 turnpike and to the new interchange, 15, so the 24 impact toward Manhattan Avenue interchange and 1&9 25 is going to be a lot less. That's on the order of 50 1 one car a minute on average, which is 2 imperceptible. 3 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: My question 4 was, what is the traffic like now, whether it's A 5 or whether it's B or C, which one? 6 MR. LOTHIAN: Well, I'd have to -- 7 well, there's no intersection there today, so you 8 do an analysis typically at an intersection. In 9 the report we have identified, like at the County 10 Road intersection with new County Road, that we'd 11 have a level of service that's in the report, I'd 12 have to look in the report to see exactly what it 13 is, but it's better today than we have it 14 projected in the report, because in the report we 15 projected a lot of traffic that's not on the road 16 yet. 17 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: I drove down 18 on County Road Saturday and they were doing some 19 type of construction. 20 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Yes. 21 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: What are 22 they doing there? 23 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: That's the 24 new County Road Interchange Project. The county 25 is participated in that project to do utility work 51 1 right now. 2 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: So it's not 3 another building going up? 4 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: No. The 5 county is spending about $4-and-a-half million in 6 participating in the improvements to this area. 7 The County Road improvements have just been 8 complete and the new County Road Interchange, and 9 the new County Road Interchange is going to cost 10 about $30 million, but it's state money from the 11 Turnpike Authority, Port Authority. The traffic 12 concerns I think have been mostly addressed by the 13 applicant and the concern about truck traffic, 14 just like to add that, you know, we approved an 15 FDP project on Secaucus Road, which is a larger 16 scale project. They had a large filling 17 operation, too, which will be a lot of trucks on 18 Secaucus Road. The main problem was not so much 19 truck traffic, but soil erosion and control of the 20 soil erosion of the dirt that was on trucks 21 getting on the county road, so my recommendation 22 on this truck filling operation is that they get a 23 permit from the County Engineer when they're ready 24 to do that so that you provide us with the 25 operation plans, how to fill the site with the 52 1 soil erosion measures that you are going to take, 2 and so that we will have inspectors stop by once 3 in a while to see how it's going and how it's 4 affecting County Road, and as far as any damage to 5 County Road, most likely, if there's any damage, 6 it would happen likely in the driveway as with all 7 the trucks turning in and out from there. That's 8 something the applicant would have to redo to 9 repair. 10 MR. LOTHIAN: Yes. Mr. Burrow 11 already indicated that they would take care of any 12 of those. 13 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 14 Chair, I have a question. 15 What is your plan to maintain the 16 county road? For example, if a rain storm and the 17 next day stops and your truck starts moving, 18 obviously there's a lot of mud there. What is 19 your plan? A sweeper going to be -- 20 MR. LOTHIAN: Well, there's 21 detailed soil erosion that were submitted with the 22 site plan sets, so they've taken care of that in a 23 detailed set of drawings. 24 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Madam 25 Chair, I would just like to add, FDP had a sweeper 53 1 during almost the entire time of this operation. 2 They were just going back and forth sweeping 3 along. In this situation, County Road, we don't 4 have the room for that, so it's more critical that 5 they pay close attention, to make sure that 6 there's not much debris coming on the county 7 road. Soil erosion compliance should take care of 8 that, but if need be, you need to provide 9 additional things to make sure the road doesn't 10 get dirty. You're going to have to do that. 11 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Any other 12 comments? 13 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Just one quick 14 question. 15 This property, the building is how 16 close to the county road? 17 MR. BURROW: We are at 120 feet 18 back from the county right-of-way, and the 19 right-of-way is actually about 30 feet from the -- 20 so if you were driving towards Tonnelle Avenue, 21 you'd be 150 feet back from the road. The setback 22 requirement is 50 feet, so we're almost 23 two-and-a-half times the setback requirements in 24 the zone. 25 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Mr. -- 54 1 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, I think 2 it's worth stating for the record, also, that the 3 County Engineer has requested that The Rockefeller 4 Group make a contribution to the rebuilding of the 5 Penhorn Creek Pump Station, which is also called 6 the St. Paul Avenue -- St. Pauls Avenue Pump 7 Station, and it's part of the correspondence that 8 went out to Mr. Binney and there was also e-mail 9 from Mr. Binney in your packages with the response 10 agreeing to that. I don't know if that's -- Mr. 11 Binney, if you want to comment on that, also. 12 MR. CALVANICO: Madam Chairlady, if 13 I might, I've been speaking with Mr. Binney about 14 this and our intention is to have the resolution 15 of the Board indicate, assuming that this is 16 approved tonight, have that resolution indicate 17 that the approval is subject to execution of a 18 formal agreement between the Board, the County and 19 the applicant regarding the terms of that, the 20 pump station repair and these roadway repairs. 21 MR. BINNEY: That's correct, Madam 22 Chair. 23 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Anything 24 else? 25 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Yes. Madam 55 1 Chair, I have a question. 2 You're still pending with the 3 Department -- the DEP? 4 MR. BINNEY: Yes. 5 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: And also the 6 Construction Official in Jersey City? 7 MR. BINNEY: Correct. 8 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: When did you 9 submit to Jersey City, if you don't mind me 10 asking? 11 MR. BURROW: We haven't submitted 12 for the construction permits yet, and we do that 13 subsequent to getting your approval and the 14 Meadowlands Commission's approval and DEP. We 15 submitted sometime ago -- and we had a meeting 16 with them about two weeks ago. We'll be 17 re-submitting plans, which we believe comply with 18 the comments from the meeting two weeks ago, later 19 this week, so we anticipate getting their approval 20 in the foreseeable future. 21 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Madam 22 Chair, there's only one other condition, too. 23 That in the future, any need for a traffic signal 24 at the driveway or at their driveway would be, if 25 there was a traffic signal, warranted that the 56 1 applicant or the owner would pay for the cost and 2 the design construction. 3 MR. BINNEY: We agree with that 4 condition, Madam Chair. 5 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Or future 6 owner, if they decide to sell. 7 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Right. 8 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 9 motion to approve? 10 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Motion 11 to approve based on all the recommendations of the 12 County Engineer, and on the approval -- on 13 recommendation that the DEP and the Meadowlands 14 Commission approves this. If they don't approve 15 it, everything is off. 16 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: The City of 17 Jersey City, I believe, as well. 18 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yes. 19 Yes. 20 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second 22 that. 23 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 24 motion to approve application SP-102-05 made by 25 Commissioner Fitzgibbons, seconded by Commissioner 57 1 Choffo: 2 Commissioner Arencibia? 3 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 4 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 5 Avagliano? 6 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I vote 7 aye. 8 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 9 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 10 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 11 Fitzgibbons? 12 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 13 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 14 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 15 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 16 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 17 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 18 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 19 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the motion 20 passes. Madam Chair, the motion passes. 21 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Thank you. 22 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the next 23 application scheduled for Public Hearing is 24 SP-110-05, Marshall Terrace, located at 100-132 25 Marshall Street in Hoboken. 58 1 MR. MATULE: Good evening, Madam 2 Chair, Members of the Board. Robert Matule, 3 M-A-T-U-L-E, appearing on behalf of the applicant. 4 We have the applicant's architect, 5 Dean Marchetto here. Mr. Marchetto has appeared 6 before this Board on numerous occasions, but we'd 7 like to have him sworn in. If the Board is 8 willing to waive his qualifications, we'll proceed 9 in that fashion. 10 DEAN MARCHETTO, having been first duly sworn 11 according to law, testified as follows: 12 MR. MATULE: Madam Chair, would you 13 waive qualifying Mr. Marchetto? He's a Licensed 14 Architect in the State of New Jersey. 15 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Absolutely. 16 MR. MATULE: Thank you. 17 Dean, could you be good enough to 18 just give the Board Members an overview of the 19 Marshall Street application, the surrounding area 20 and what it is we're proposing to build there? 21 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Dean, 22 can you move it up? You know, move it up in 23 front. My eyes are getting, as I get older, are 24 getting weak. 25 MR. MARCHETTO: Okay. The 59 1 application this evening is for 100 Marshall 2 Street in Hoboken, New Jersey. The application 3 site is on Marshall Street between Paterson 4 Avenue, which is a county road, and the light 5 rail, the New Jersey Light Rail, which is off to 6 the west and borders Jersey City. 7 The application is for a new 8 residential building. It's a five-story 9 residential building above two levels of parking. 10 There's, there's a total of 69 dwelling units and 11 73 parking spaces. Parking spaces are all located 12 inside the building. 13 This is an enlarged site plan, 14 which is drawing labeled A-2, and this drawing is 15 part of the overall set of drawings which were 16 submitted to the county as part of the 17 application. The large site plan shows the 18 location of the building, on the ground floor of 19 the building on either end. We have a retail area 20 so that, as pedestrians walk by, they'll be light 21 there and they'll be pedestrian scale activities 22 at the base of the building. There's an open 23 landscaped area at the north end, which gives way 24 to the light rail station which is just northward 25 of Marshall Street. Here is the new light rail 60 1 station, so the building is here, the landscaped 2 area and then you can walk up to the light rail. 3 I have here a series of photographs 4 with designation A-2 just to show you the site. 5 This is the light rail. There's an existing 6 17-story residential building between the light 7 rail -- or the light rail is here and the 17-story 8 is behind it, and this zone right in here, which 9 currently has some industrial, three-story 10 industrial buildings on it is our site, so we're 11 building between the light rail and this larger 12 residential building. These are additional 13 photographs showing the context. On the right 14 here you're looking north on Marshall Street. 15 There's a high-rise building here, which I just 16 described here. This is the site here, with the 17 industrial buildings on it. This is a photograph 18 of the site now. This is a rendering that shows 19 the building in the photograph, so here's the 20 light rail, this is the 17-story building behind 21 us, and this is the new residential building I'm 22 describing this evening, between the light rail 23 and the residential building. Basically, it's a 24 five-story residential building. It's made out of 25 brick. The building is designed in vertical 61 1 sections so that the scale of the building is 2 broken down. This is also a building that borders 3 on the edge of Jersey City, and when you come down 4 Paterson Plank Road, you arrive in Jersey City, 5 you would be looking at this building, so what 6 we're hoping this building does, is provide a 7 transitional between a high-rise building and a 8 low-rise building, which is more of the character 9 of Hoboken, more of a four or five-story 10 residential area, and by putting this building 11 here at the entrance to Hoboken, it will help 12 soften the transition, the visual transition from 13 Jersey City into Hoboken, almost kind of mask the 14 building a bit, put it back down to scale. 15 The other exhibit I have is, this 16 is an image of the building in its location 17 looking from the light rail station, so the light 18 rail station here is on the right. This is the 19 parking area and the turn around, this is that 20 high-rise building, and this building fronting on 21 the light rail with the commercial area at the 22 ground level, and this is a view of the building 23 on the Marshall Street side, opposite the light 24 rail, on the residential side. You could see that 25 the parking inside the building is also internal. 62 1 You don't see the garage. The windows in the 2 building facade being two different kinds of brick 3 and masonry conceal the garage, so you don't see a 4 parking garage, and again, this facade is broken 5 up into bays, vertical brick panels and some 6 decorative corners work at the top, some bay 7 windows here so that the building is broken up and 8 feels more like a smaller scale building than a 9 longer building. 10 That's a general description of the 11 project, and I'll be happy to answer any 12 questions. 13 MR. MATULE: Dean, did you get Mr. 14 Marks' letter of February 6th? 15 MR. MARCHETTO: I did. I have the 16 letter from the County Planning Board signed by 17 Mr. Stephen Marks. 18 MR. MATULE: Want to just address 19 that? 20 MR. MARCHETTO: Yeah. There were 21 three points on this letter. It said that the 22 applicant shall attain all necessary county road 23 opening permits, which we will do, and happy to 24 comply with. The applicant shall revise the site 25 plans to delineate where retaining wall exists 63 1 along Paterson Plank Road. If I show you the site 2 plan again, our plans indicate that there's a 3 retaining wall here on the county right-of-way. 4 This is an existing retaining wall. We're not 5 proposing to build one or to upset anything within 6 the county right-of-way. That's an existing 7 retaining wall which will remain, and it may have 8 lead to some confusion. May have thought that 9 this is a proposed retaining wall, but this is an 10 existing retaining wall, and we're not proposing 11 to change it or move it or rebuild it or 12 anything. It's just a clarification. Item number 13 three, no foundation for retaining wall or other 14 structure is permitted within the county 15 right-of-way, and again, that's the same comment. 16 We're not proposing to build in the county 17 right-of-way, to build a foundation for a 18 retaining wall because that retaining wall is 19 already existing, so we're happy to comply with 20 this. I think it's just a point of 21 clarification. That's the end of the points on 22 the letter. 23 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Can you 24 put that picture -- 25 MR. MARCHETTO: This one, here? 64 1 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: No. The 2 building. 3 MR. MARCHETTO: This one, here? 4 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yeah. 5 You know, that's not an eyesore. That other 6 building, that 17-story building, I was one of the 7 people who approved it, because Hoboken wanted it 8 at the time, you know, and I like the concept, 9 because what you're doing is, with that building, 10 it looks like there's row houses. 11 MR. MARCHETTO: Scale. 12 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yeah, 14 and it actually shows, like, maybe actually the 15 old, the old way Hoboken used to be. 16 MR. MARCHETTO: Right. Well, even 17 though we're building in modern age. 18 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: That's 19 an improvement of the site, because years ago I 20 think there used to be stables or something back 21 there, so, I mean, that's before my time, but I 22 know there was a lot of abandoned fac -- 23 warehouses back there, but I think it's, I think 24 it's smart development, not like the other one. 25 That's smart development. We should have more 65 1 smart development, not only in Hoboken, but in 2 Hudson County. 3 MR. MARCHETTO: I agree. Thank 4 you. 5 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Are you 6 looking for an apartment there, Commissioner? 7 Gorgeous. 8 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I can't 9 afford it. 10 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Mr. 11 Marchetto, where is the egress for the parking? 12 MR. MARCHETTO: It's on Marshall 13 Street. 14 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: It's on 15 Marshall? 16 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Now it's 17 called Marshall Terrace. 18 MR. MARCHETTO: Yeah. This here is 19 the ingress and egress to the garage here. It's a 20 single point of ingress and egress, and right in 21 the center of the structure up along Marshall 22 Street. This is the county road here. 23 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 24 Chair, I have a question. 25 How many levels of parking did you 66 1 say? 2 MR. MARCHETTO: Two levels. 3 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Two levels. 4 Is this ramp or -- 5 MR. MARCHETTO: There's grade level 6 and inside the garage there's a ramp internally. 7 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Mr. 8 Marchetto, could you just describe the circulation 9 and the parking, how people get into the parking 10 garage? 11 MR. MARCHETTO: Yes. This page, 12 A-2, is the parking level plan. You'd be coming 13 in off of Marshall Street, making a turn and 14 entering the garage here. If you have -- these 15 are parking spaces that will be assigned to people 16 who live here, so if you go in the garage, you 17 won't be driving around looking for an empty 18 space, you'll have parking space 24, and then 19 you'll know where to go. If you are on the ground 20 level, you come in here and make a right or a left 21 to get to your assigned space. If you are on the 22 next level, which is shown on page A-3, which is 23 the second level of parking, there's a ramp 24 internally, and on the ground floor you would come 25 in, make a turn and go up the ramp and arrive on 67 1 this level, and then your numbered spaces would be 2 located on this level as well, and you'd reverse 3 that going back out. 4 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: How would 5 people, residents get to the site from the 6 streets? Marshall is one way, right? 7 MR. MARCHETTO: Marshall is -- 8 MR. MATULE: No. It's two ways 9 now. 10 MR. MARCHETTO: -- two way now, 11 because ever since they built the light rail 12 station, you can go in and out on Marshall 13 Street. It's a two way street. There's a turn 14 around here for light rail drop off. 15 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: The only 16 way to get to the site is from Paterson Avenue? 17 MR. MARCHETTO: Or Second. I mean, 18 you can come down Second, but you can't go back 19 out Second, but you can come, arrive on Second and 20 make a left on Marshall Street. 21 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Okay. 22 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Any other 23 comments? 24 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I'll 25 make a motion to approve. 68 1 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: I second 2 it. 3 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 4 motion to approve SP-110-05, made by Commissioner 5 Fitzgibbons and seconded by Commissioner 6 Holloway: 7 Commissioner Arencibia? 8 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 9 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 10 Avagliano? 11 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Mr. 12 Marchetto, I congratulate you. Great presentation 13 you do for us. I enjoy viewing these various 14 buildings when I enter Hoboken and am very 15 impressed with your work. I thank you. 16 MR. MARCHETTO: Thank you. 17 MR. MARKS: Is that an aye? 18 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: It 19 certainly is an aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 21 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. Good 22 luck. 23 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 24 Fitzgibbons? 25 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I think 69 1 it's a well-deserved project and, you know, Dean 2 is one of the best architects in Hoboken. 3 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: No. I'm 5 serious, because he keeps Hoboken in mind. He 6 keeps Hoboken in mind and he knows what the town 7 is like and what the town could be, and when he 8 develops a project or an idea, he reminds me that 9 he's not getting away from what Hoboken is, so I 10 congratulate you. 11 MR. MARCHETTO: Thank you. 12 MR. MARKS: Commissioner, is that 13 an aye? 14 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Is that an 15 aye? 16 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 17 Sure. 18 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Penthouse 19 is taken. 20 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 21 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 22 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I want 23 to be the doorman. 24 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 25 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 70 1 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 2 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: I vote aye. 3 Good luck. It's a beautiful project. 4 Are the exhibits marked correct? 5 MR. MARCHETTO: The exhibits are 6 marked, yes. 7 MR. MATULE: Thank you. 8 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Thank you. 9 Good luck. 10 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the next 11 application scheduled for Public Hearing is 12 SP-118-05, JLB 329 Corp., located at 329 Willow 13 Avenue in Hoboken. 14 MR. MATULE: Good evening. Again, 15 Robert Matule on behalf of the applicant. I'd 16 like to have Mr. Frank Minervini, the project 17 architect, sworn. 18 FRANK J. MINERVINI, having been first duly sworn 19 according to law, testified as follows: 20 MR. MATULE: Mr. Minervini has 21 appeared before this Board several times in the 22 past and has been accepted as an expert witness. 23 I'd ask that you waive his qualifications. 24 Mr. Minervini, and if you are going 25 to have drawings, maybe you should step up to the 71 1 other side of the table, but could you -- 2 MR. MINERVINI: I have my own. 3 MR. MATULE: Okay. Could you 4 describe for the Members of the Board what Mr. 5 Lovibear is preparing here or proposing here? 6 MR. MINERVINI: Yes. This project 7 is a typical Hoboken site, except for the fact 8 that it's two buildings on one piece of property, 9 so it's 25 feet wide by 100 feet deep on the east 10 side of Willow Avenue, between Third and Second 11 Streets. The rear building currently has three 12 residential units and the front building has six 13 residential units. Our proposal is to renovate 14 the rear building, keep it three, and the front 15 building, to add two floors above it. In total, 16 we're going from nine units to eight units. Some 17 of the units that presently exist in the front 18 building are small studios, so those are going to 19 change to a little more realistic sizes, so we're 20 here for the addition of the front building and 21 the sidewalk and curbing and those things for the 22 front building only. 23 I can read through the comments and 24 address each specifically. Comment number one, 25 the applicant shall attain all necessary county 72 1 road opening permits, and they will, of course, do 2 that. Number two, the applicant shall replace 3 sidewalks and curbs which we are proposing on our 4 drawings, and yes, we agree to that. Number 5 three, the applicant shall describe the width of 6 the side alley to the rear of the property. The 7 width is 3.75 feet, three feet, nine inches. It 8 is -- it varies a bit because the building isn't 9 exactly square, but that's an existing condition 10 which we're not proposing to change, so our 11 decision above, on the front building stays the 12 exact dimension of the building below, so we're 13 not changing any of that condition at all. Number 14 four, the applicant shall describe how fire 15 apparatus may access to the rear dwelling units. 16 Again, we're not here for that. Those are the 17 units that will be renovated. However, I will say 18 that that building is 35 feet deep. The typical 19 fire hose from that you can attach to a truck is 20 100 feet, so that's easily reached. The existing 21 condition, not proposing to change, but during the 22 construction, the reconstruction of the rear 23 building, we installed fire suppression system, so 24 the rear building is sprinklered with that concern 25 in mind, and those are the four points. 73 1 MR. MATULE: And when you finish 2 the renovation of the front building with the two 3 additional floors, there will be a total of five? 4 MR. MINERVINI: Five residential 5 units in the front building and three in the back. 6 MR. MATULE: Okay. 7 MR. MINERVINI: And the front 8 building will also be fire suppressed sprinkler. 9 MR. MATULE: And you'll also be 10 planting a street tree in front of the building? 11 MR. MINERVINI: Yes. One street 12 tree was approved from the Hoboken Shade Tree 13 Commission. New concrete sidewalk and a new 14 concrete curb. 15 MR. MATULE: I have nothing 16 further. 17 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Any 18 comments, Commissioner? 19 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: I find the 20 applicant's responses to the comments acceptable. 21 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Commissioner 22 Choffo? 23 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I have a 24 question. 25 Did you say the rear building is 74 1 totally fully sprinklered? 2 MR. MINERVINI: Yes, it is. 3 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: It was 4 being renovated, right? 5 MR. MINERVINI: Yes. It's already 6 being renovated. 7 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Under 8 the code, you have a sprinkler? 9 MR. MINERVINI: Depending on the 10 amount of construction you do, and we did go 11 passed that limitation, so it's being sprinklered 12 because the code requires it, of course. 13 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: And you 14 added an additional floor on the building? 15 MR. MINERVINI: Not on the rear 16 building. The rear building is staying exactly as 17 it is. 18 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yeah. 19 Well, I can see that. I know that area. 20 Actually, the other building on the side has 21 gotten a little taller. 22 MR. MINERVINI: Off of Fourth 23 Street? 24 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Yeah. 25 MR. MINERVINI: Yeah. 75 1 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Is the 2 front building occupied? 3 MR. MINERVINI: Currently, it's 4 not. 5 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 6 Chair, I have a question. 7 Demetrio, this new sidewalk they're 8 putting in, is it going to be complying with 9 county standards, the sidewalk itself? 10 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Well, 11 county's concern is the curb, so it has to be a 12 nine inch by 18 inch DOT concrete vertical curb. 13 MR. MINERVINI: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: The 15 sidewalk is the standard four inch thick? 16 MR. MINERVINI: And our drawings 17 did meet, as approved by Schoor DePalma, the 18 Hoboken engineer, the DOT standards. 19 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: It's been 20 approved by Hoboken Planning Board? 21 MR. MINERVINI: Yes. Hoboken, and 22 by this case, the Zoning Board, and Schoor DePalma 23 were the engineers for the Zoning Board. 24 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Any other 25 comments? 76 1 Do I have a motion to approve this 2 application? 3 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: I make a 4 motion to approve. 5 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 6 second? 7 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I'll 8 second. 9 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 10 motion to approve application SP-118-05 made by 11 Commissioner Fitzgibbons, seconded by Commissioner 12 Avagliano: 13 Commissioner Arencibia? 14 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 15 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 16 Avagliano? 17 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I vote 18 aye. 19 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 20 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 21 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 22 Fitzgibbons? 23 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 24 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 25 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 77 1 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 2 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 3 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 4 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 5 Good luck. 6 MR. MATULE: Thank you. 7 (A brief recess was taken.) 8 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Okay. Ready 9 to resume? 10 MR. MARKS: Yup. 11 Madam Chair, the next application 12 scheduled for Public Hearing is SP-05-06, CCMMI, 13 LLC, located at 6040 Boulevard East in West New 14 York. 15 MR. COAD: Good evening, ladies and 16 gentlemen. I'm Richard Coad. I'm with Tectonic 17 Engineering. 18 Tectonic has prepared the drawings 19 for CCMI for this particular application. It's my 20 understanding that the information that we need to 21 present this evening is what equipment that is 22 going on the building, will we impact traffic and, 23 let's see, and will there be any drainage impact 24 to the site. 25 RICHARD M. COAD, having been first duly sworn 78 1 according to law, testified as follows: 2 MR. COAD: CCMI is proposing to 3 install equipment on the Rivera Building. It is 4 located at 6040 Boulevard East in West New York. 5 It is an apartment building on a parcel at 6 Hillside Drive and Boulevard East. 7 The equipment that we are 8 installing is entirely on the existing building. 9 We will not be changing any features on the ground 10 or impacting the traffic pattern around the 11 building at all. The equipment that is going on 12 the building, there will be a radio cabinet that 13 will go on the roof. It will be on its own 14 equipment pad. There will be four antennas, four 15 panel antennas that will go on the building. Each 16 of the panels is about eight-and-a-half feet tall, 17 about six inches wide and about two-and-a-quarter 18 inches deep. One of them is going on the side 19 wall of the building, the other three are going on 20 the penthouse of the building. They will be 21 connected by means of coaxial cable between the 22 antennas and the radio cabinet. There will also 23 be a dish that is approximately three feet in 24 diameter. There will be a GPS antenna, and that 25 is the equipment that we are putting on there. 79 1 The power for the site is approximately a 200 amp 2 service, the same type of service that one would 3 have in their, in their home. The antennas are 4 depicted on this elevation. The antennas will be 5 located near the top here, the dishes near, near 6 this elevation, and the equipment will be on the 7 roof, as well. 8 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Is this 9 building a condominium? 10 MR. COAD: Yes, it is. 11 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: A 12 high-rise? It's the high-rise? 13 MR. COAD: Yes. That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: On the 15 corner of -- by the park there, right? 16 MR. COAD: Yes. That's correct. 17 Yes, it is. 18 We will have somebody come to the 19 building about once a month for maintenance, just 20 to make sure everything is running correctly, 21 similar to what you would have for a cell site, 22 Sprint or Verizon or somebody else were to be 23 putting equipment on the building. 24 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Are you 25 going to obtain permits from the Construction 80 1 Official? 2 MR. COAD: I beg your pardon. 3 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Are you 4 obtaining permits from the Construction Official? 5 MR. COAD: There will be, have to 6 be permits obtained for this construction 7 activity, that is correct. 8 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Madam 9 Chair, I have a question. 10 Is this anywhere near any windows? 11 MR. COAD: No, it is not. 12 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I have a 14 question, Madam Chair. 15 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Yes. 16 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: The condo 17 association, I'm assuming they voted on this to 18 approve it. 19 MR. COAD: I assume that they have, 20 yes. We have, we have obtained a lease with the 21 building owner, which is a condominium 22 association, for renting roof space and for 23 putting the equipment on the building, yes. 24 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: And the West 25 New York Zoning Board of Adjustment, they granted 81 1 approval? 2 MR. COAD: To my knowledge, yes, 3 they have. 4 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I don't have 5 any other questions. 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Counsellor, 7 do the residents of the building need to be 8 notified that something of this is going to be 9 installed on the building? 10 MR. CALVANICO: I don't believe 11 so. I don't believe that there's a legal 12 requirement for that. 13 MR. COAD: If you look on the 14 drawings we submitted, there's a notification 15 page, and there's an entire page of notifications 16 that were sent out to notify people that this 17 activity is taking place. 18 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: More 19 than likely, if that's a condo association -- 20 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: It's 21 approved by the Board, right? 22 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: -- they 23 go before the Board, and the reason why they are 24 doing that is to alleviate some of the maintenance 25 courses. I know, I know, it's a little bit -- 82 1 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: 2 Commissioner, do you have any comments? 3 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: I don't 4 have really anything. There's no affect on the 5 county roads, traffic, drainage or any county 6 property, so -- 7 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Do I have a 8 motion to approve this application? 9 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Motion. 10 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second 11 it. 12 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, on a 13 motion to approve application SP-05-06 made by 14 Commissioner Holloway, seconded by Commissioner 15 Choffo: 16 Commissioner Arencibia? 17 COMMISSIONER ARENCIBIA: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 19 Avagliano? 20 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Aye. 21 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 23 MR. MARKS: Commissioner 24 Fitzgibbons? 25 COMMISSIONER FITZGIBBONS: Aye. 83 1 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Holloway? 2 COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY: Aye. 3 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 4 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 5 MR. MARKS: Chairwoman Bettinger? 6 CHAIRWOMAN BETTINGER: Aye. 7 Thank you. 8 MR. COAD: Thank you, very much. 9 MR. MARKS: Madam Chair, the next 10 application scheduled for Public Hearing is 11 SP-08-06, ETS Realty Management, LLC, located at 12 3115-23 Paterson Plank Road in North Bergen. 13 MR. VENINO: Good evening, Madam 14 Chair, Members of the Board. Thomas M. Venino, 15 appearing for the applicant. 16 I offer as an expert witness 17 Orestes Valella, a Registered Architect, graduate 1