1 1 HUDSON COUNTY PLANNING BOARD 2 IN RE: ) ) TRANSCRIPT OF 3 MONTHLY MEETING ) PROCEEDINGS: ) 4 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _) Administration Annex 5 567 Pavonia Avenue Freeholders Chambers 6 Jersey City, New Jersey Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7 6:10 p.m. 8 B E F O R E: 9 MICHAEL HOLLOWAY, CHAIRMAN 10 RENEE BETTINGER, COMMISSIONER 11 MARY AVAGLIANO, COMMISSIONER 12 RUSHABH MEHTA, COMMISSIONER 13 THOMAS LIGGIO, FREEHOLDER 14 DANIEL CHOFFO, COMMISSIONER 15 BORIVOJ JASEK, COMMISSIONER 16 A L S O P R E S E N T: 17 THOMAS P. CALVANICO, ESQ., Board Attorney 18 STEPHEN MARKS, Board Secretary 19 Reported By: 20 MICHELLE GRUENDEL, C.S.R. 21 REPORTING SERVICES ARRANGED THROUGH 22 VERITEXT/NEW JERSEY REPORTING COMPANY, L.L.C. Kabot Battaglia & Hammer Suburban Shorthand 23 Waga and Spinelli Arthur J. Frannicola CSR 25B Vreeland Road 24 Florham Park, New Jersey 07932 Tel: 973-410-4040 Fax: 973-410-1313 25 2 1 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Call the meeting 2 to order, please. 3 Can we do the roll call? 4 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Avagliano? 5 Commissioner Bettinger? 6 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Here. 7 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? Not 8 present. 9 Commissioner Dublin? Not present. 10 Commissioner Fitzgibbons? Not present. 11 Commissioner Jasek? 12 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Here. 13 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 14 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Here. 15 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 16 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Here. 17 MR. MARKS: Chairman Holloway? 18 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Here. 19 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, we have a 20 quorum. 21 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Can we have the 22 Salute to the Flag, please? 23 (Flag Salute takes place.) 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I'd like to make a 25 motion to put number nine, New Business, up now. 3 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I'll second 2 that. 3 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Steve? 4 MR. MARKS: On a motion to move -- Mr. 5 Chairman, do you mean number eight? 6 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I'm sorry. Yes. 7 Number eight, Old Business. 8 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: New Business, 9 number nine. You were correct. 10 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I'm sorry. Number 11 nine. I was correct. 12 MR. MARKS: Okay. Sorry. 13 On a motion to move New Business, 14 Recommendation for Professional Services Contract for 15 Board Attorney to the first item on the Agenda, moved 16 by Chairman Holloway, seconded by Commissioner 17 Bettinger: 18 Commissioner Jasek? 19 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 21 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 22 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 23 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 24 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 25 passes. 4 MONTHLY MEETING 1 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 2 MR. MARKS: If I could read the order 3 of business, a resolution by the Hudson County 4 Planning Board, resolution recommending the award of 5 the Professional Services Contract with Thomas P. 6 Calvanico, Esq. as attorney to the Hudson County 7 Planning Board. 8 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I'll make the 9 motion to approve the resolution. 10 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: I will second it. 11 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 12 made by Commissioner Bettinger and seconded by 13 Commissioner Mehta: 14 Commissioner Jasek? 15 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 16 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 17 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Chairman Holloway? 19 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 21 passes. 22 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 23 MR. MARKS: Congratulations. 24 Mr. Chairman, the next order of business is 25 the Review and Adoption of Minutes from March 16th, 5 MONTHLY MEETING 1 2004. 2 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER JASEK: I make a motion 4 to approve the minutes. 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I second it. 6 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 7 made by Commissioner Jasek and seconded by Chairman 8 Holloway: 9 Commissioner Liggio? 10 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 11 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 12 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 13 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Bettinger? 14 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I have to 15 abstain, as I just received them. 16 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 17 passes. 18 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 19 Is there any public comments on the Agenda 20 this evening? 21 Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Steve, I just 23 received my packet today in the mail and it's 24 postmarked April 18th. 25 Is there any way that we can get the packets 6 MONTHLY MEETING 1 out a little bit earlier so that I can review it? 2 MR. MARKS: Sure. We'll work on 3 that. My apologies. 4 Mr. Chairman, it's been requested that the 5 site plan and subdivision matters for public hearing 6 be placed at the top of the Agenda, beginning with 7 SD-13-05, Dillin Realty Company, Inc., for 492-496 8 Kennedy Boulevard, Bayonne, New Jersey. It is a 9 minor subdivision. 10 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Okay. 11 MR. KICZEK: Good evening, Mr. 12 Chairman, Members of the County Planning Board. My 13 name is Leonard P. Kiczek. For the record, 14 K-I-C-Z-E-K. My law office is located at 29 West 8th 15 Street, Bayonne, New Jersey. 16 I've represented Dillin Realty for about 25 17 years. Dillin's been operating at the same location 18 on the Boulevard, 492-496, for approximately 27 or 28 19 years. They bought the property from Goldberg 20 Plumbing. Goldberg Plumbing is the operation that's 21 at City Line at Jersey City and Bayonne on the 22 Boulevard, very extensive operations. At that time, 23 in the late seventies, they pulled out a lot of their 24 storage warehouse operations to the Boulevard 25 location. In the early eighties Dillin was hoping -- 7 MONTHLY MEETING 1 they, they took the garage and then installed lifts, 2 because their basic service is for tires. They do a 3 lot of tire work, but they also, in the later few 4 years as the competition heated up, they're doing 5 others things, like brake jobs and mufflers and 6 things like that. When they went before the Bayonne 7 Planning Board -- I mean, I'm sorry, before the 8 Bayonne Zoning Board in the early eighties, late 9 seventies, it was thought that they were going to put 10 more lifts and change certain things around, and as a 11 consequence, the Bayonne Board of Adjustment required 12 an exit to a, to a lot that goes to and abuts 19th 13 Street, so you have, basically, a flag-shaped 14 property. You have the main building that does all 15 the repair work and then you have this vacant lot 16 that exits on to a numbered street as opposed to the 17 Boulevard. Well, they never used the vacant lot for 18 that purpose. It turned out, where the lifts were 19 located, they couldn't articulate any vehicles out of 20 the garage doors, but the fire department said leave 21 the garage doors there, anyway, because it's good for 22 fire purposes, fire safety, so nothing was ever 23 done. They had a -- they basically used that vacant 24 lot on the side street to allow neighbors to park 25 there and occasionally they would also park their 8 MONTHLY MEETING 1 recycling truck. Recycling truck is the one that 2 takes the old tires to another recycling outfit. One 3 of the neighbors who had been parking the car there 4 for years and years approached the Dillin's about 5 buying the vacant lot, kind of to protect the 6 residential interest, because on the other side of 7 the vacant lot is a bar, so they were -- they didn't 8 want to have the bar expand, possibly, so rather than 9 do that, they decided to buy this lot and preserve it 10 for their own residential parking, so that's 11 essentially it. 12 Dillin no longer needed that. They haven't 13 really used that lot for 20-some plus years and it 14 was only a requirement by the Board of Adjustment. 15 Why did they never get the other things that were 16 approved by the Board of Adjustment in the early -- 17 late seventies? They just couldn't get the 18 financing, so the way it was back in 1979 is the way 19 it is today, so nothing has really changed. They've 20 always exited and entered from the Boulevard in terms 21 of the cars that they service, so there's really no 22 change, other than to sever this one residential lot, 23 because it was really a nonconforming -- right now 24 even this property is zoned residential, that part of 25 the Boulevard, so, but the Bayonne Planning Board 9 MONTHLY MEETING 1 approved it because it was really, it was not much to 2 this whole thing, and the only requirement that the 3 Bayonne Plan -- that the Planning Board required, 4 that this Public Service light that was put in by the 5 Dillin's, that it be maintained, because the -- it's 6 a nice area light for the neighbors, you know, for 7 safety purposes. 8 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Commissioner 9 Jasek, do you have any questions? 10 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, 11 this is a minor subdivision. I have no comment, 12 because the owner will have to -- new owner will have 13 to come with the site plan, if it is connected to the 14 Boulevard, but I assume it will be within 200 feet 15 from the Boulevard, so we will see the plans, anyhow. 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Okay. Any other 17 questions? 18 MR. KICZEK: Mr. Jasek, you're 19 referring to when they do the macadam for the parking 20 lot itself? 21 COMMISSIONER JASEK: When they do the 22 improvement to the lot, yes. 23 MR. KICZEK: I already explained that 24 to them. When they go to the City for whatever 25 improvements they're going to make -- I don't even 10 MONTHLY MEETING 1 know if they're going to make any improvements. It's 2 basically, I think there's gravel there now. 3 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Can I have a 4 motion? 5 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I'll make a 6 motion to approve application SD-13-05. 7 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: I will second it. 8 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 9 made by Commissioner Bettinger and seconded by 10 Commissioner Mehta: 11 Commissioner Jasek? 12 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 13 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 14 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 15 MR. MARKS: Chairman Holloway? 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 17 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 18 passes. 19 MR. KICZEK: Thank you, Members of the 20 Planning Board. Thank you for taking me so early. 21 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 22 MR. KICZEK: My bowling partners will 23 be so well-pleased. 24 Thank you. Congratulations. 25 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the next 11 MONTHLY MEETING 1 matter on the Agenda is SP-31-05, New Cingular 2 Wireless PCS, LLC, at 1212-1215 Willow Avenue, and 3 that, that should be Hoboken. 4 MS. BABINSKI: My name is Judy 5 Babinski from Pitney Hardin on behalf of New Cingular 6 Wireless. 7 We're proposing to place 12 antennas on the 8 existing building and to put our equipment inside the 9 building. 10 If you have any questions, I do have my 11 engineer with me. It's fairly simple, we hope, nice 12 mounting of our wireless antennas, and I'm going to 13 have a hearing before the Planning Board in Hoboken 14 for site plan review. 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: There is one 16 question I'd like to ask. 17 The type of antennas there, are they next to 18 any windows? 19 MS. BABINSKI: No, they're not. We 20 have to comply with, with the FCC and the New Jersey 21 Radiation Protection Act. 22 The antennas are going to be mounted on top 23 of the building, and also, when our antennas are 24 mounted, we can't have our antennas face a building 25 adjacent to a window there because OSHA has all their 12 MONTHLY MEETING 1 standards and everything that we have to comply with, 2 so no, absolutely not. 3 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Jasek, any 4 comments? 5 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, I 6 have a question. 7 It says 1212 to 1215 Willow Avenue and on the 8 application it says 1203 to 1219. 9 What's the correct address? 10 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Is it two 11 addresses or is it one? 12 MS. BABINSKI: It's two addresses. 13 It's a huge building that takes up most of the block, 14 and there was a discrepancy on the actual address of 15 it and so we, in our application, have it as 1215 to 16 1219. 17 COMMISSIONER JASEK: That's the 18 correct address, 1215 to 1219? 19 MS. BABINSKI: That is the correct 20 address, yes. 21 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Steve, can you 22 make a note of that? 23 MR. MARKS: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: What type of 25 a building is it? 13 MONTHLY MEETING 1 MS. BABINSKI: It's a residential 2 apartment building. It's four stories. It's brick. 3 It's nice and high. It's one of the tallest 4 buildings in the area, that's why we're going on top 5 of it. 6 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, 7 Hoboken has a very strict ordinance regulating this 8 business, so I'm sure that the City of Hoboken will 9 tell them what they can do and what they cannot do. 10 MS. BABINSKI: Hoboken has an 11 extremely strict ordinance in regard to it, and we 12 did not have very much coverage in Hoboken and I've 13 spent the last year in Hoboken working with the, with 14 the City, and, yes, they have a very good ordinance 15 and it is very strict. 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Any other 17 questions? 18 Can I have a motion? 19 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: I'll make a 20 motion to pass. 21 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: I will second it. 22 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 23 made by Commissioner Liggio and seconded by 24 Commissioner Mehta: 25 Commissioner Bettinger? 14 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Aye. 2 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Jasek? 3 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 4 MR. MARKS: And Chairman Holloway? 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye, as long as 6 the Planning Board of Hoboken approves this. 7 MS. BABINSKI: Yes. Absolutely. 8 Thank you, all, very much. 9 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 10 passes. 11 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 12 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the next 13 matter on the Agenda is SP-40-05, Clem's Inc./Coach 14 House Diner, 921 Kennedy Boulevard, North Bergen. 15 Mr. Chairman, I have a letter from a Mr. Will 16 Hoyt (phonetic) of the Coach House Diner saying that 17 his engineer was not available for this evening's 18 meeting and he is requesting an adjournment or 19 postponement of the matter, and, Mr. Chairman, copies 20 of the letter are in the packages which all the 21 Commissioners have. 22 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Can I get a motion 23 to postpone? 24 COMMISSIONER JASEK: I make the motion 25 to postpone case SP-40-05. 15 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: I'll second 2 that. 3 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 4 to postpone SP-40-05 made by Commissioner Jasek and 5 seconded by Commissioner Liggio: 6 Commissioner Bettinger? 7 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Aye. 8 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 9 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 10 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Choffo? 11 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 12 MR. MARKS: And Chairman Holloway? 13 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 14 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 15 passes. 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 17 MR. MARKS: If we could also let the 18 transcript, the record show that Commissioner Choffo, 19 Daniel Choffo has joined the Planning Board and the 20 quorum. 21 Mr. Chairman, the next matter on the Agenda 22 is SD/SP-42-05, Oliver Pan, applicant, at 1597 23 Kennedy Boulevard, Jersey City. 24 MR. GARCIA: Hi. Good evening. My 25 name is Luis Garcia. I'm the architect for this 16 MONTHLY MEETING 1 project. This is Mr. Oliver Pan. He is the owner, 2 if you have any questions regarding this project. 3 We're applying for a curb-cut on Kennedy 4 Boulevard and -- 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Excuse me one 6 second. 7 Steve, is that microphone on? We can't hear. 8 MR. GARCIA: No, it's not. No. Not 9 on. 10 MR. CALVANICO: Sir, before you begin, 11 we'd like to swear you in for your testimony here. 12 LUIS GARCIA, having been first duly sworn according 13 to law, testified as follows: 14 MR. CALVANICO: Can you provide us 15 with just your background, your credentials, your 16 professional experience? 17 MR. GARCIA: Yes. 18 I'm a Registered Architect and Planner in New 19 Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania, and I've appeared 20 before this Board maybe five, six times, and Jersey 21 City and other municipalities. 22 MR. CALVANICO: Do you accept the 23 credentials -- 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Yes. 25 MR. CALVANICO: -- Mr. Chairman? 17 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Okay. Thank you, sir. Please continue. 2 MR. GARCIA: Thank you. 3 So, as I was saying, this application is for 4 a curb-cut on Kennedy Boulevard, to build new so that 5 we can go to the garage and that proposed two-family 6 framed dwelling, and he, he will, of course, be 7 complying with the New Jersey DOT, the specifications 8 for a new curb-cut, and as the plan shows, he will be 9 planting two new shade trees on the street, on the 10 sidewalk. 11 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Mr. Jasek, do you 12 have any questions? 13 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, was 14 this approved by the Plan Review Committee? 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Yes. 16 With the stipulations on the application, 17 Steve, correct? 18 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, and Mr. 19 Jasek, the Site Plan and Subdivision Review Committee 20 reviewed the application a week ago yesterday and 21 came up with the following provisos which were put 22 into the letter to the applicant. Mr. Jasek, you 23 should have received a copy of the letter which went 24 to the applicant, and it also went to Chairman 25 Holloway, as Chairman of the Planning Board. It was 18 MONTHLY MEETING 1 reviewed by the Assistant County Engineer, Demetrio 2 Arencibia, also. 3 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Okay. Thank you, 4 Mr. Chairman. 5 I make the motion to approve SD/SP-42-05 with 6 the conditions which are stated in the letter which 7 was sent to the applicant. 8 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll second it. 9 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 10 to approve SD/SP-42-05 made by Commissioner Jasek and 11 seconded by Commissioner Choffo: 12 Commissioner Bettinger? 13 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Aye. 14 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 15 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 16 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 17 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Chairman Holloway? 19 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 21 passes. 22 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 23 MR. GARCIA: Thank you, very much. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Do the Status of 25 the Applications? 19 MONTHLY MEETING 1 MR. MARKS: Sure. 2 Mr. Chairman, if we could return to letter A 3 on the Agenda, Memorialization of Resolutions 4 Approved at Last Meeting: 5 SP-09-05, Alex Tullo at 1506 Paterson Plank 6 Road, North Bergen; SD-14-05, Perimeter Properties, 7 LLC at 600-604 Newark Street in Hoboken; and 8 SP-15-05, Roland Cribeiro and James Perez at 211-213 9 Manhattan Avenue, Union City. 10 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I'll make a 11 motion to memorialize these resolutions. 12 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I second it. 13 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 14 made by Commissioner Bettinger and seconded by 15 Chairman Holloway: 16 Commissioner Choffo? 17 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Aye. 18 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Jasek? 19 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 20 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 21 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 22 MR. MARKS: And Commissioner Mehta? 23 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 24 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 25 passes. 20 MONTHLY MEETING 1 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 2 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, next on the 3 Agenda are Applications Declared to be Exempt, 4 beginning with SD-22-05, Roland Pracht at 51 Long 5 Street, Jersey City; next, SD-23-05, BGM Contractor 6 Company at 929-931 Westside Avenue, Jersey City; 7 SD-24-05, Tae Ho Lee at 54-58 Harrison Avenue in 8 Jersey City; SD-25-05, Tannu and Faizail at 181-183 9 Linden Avenue in Jersey City; SD-28-05, Ambriola 10 Company at Two Burma Road, Jersey City; SD-29-05, 11 Sobhy Elsafy at 196 Terrace Avenue, Jersey City; 12 SD-33-05, Morton Development at 108-112 South 3rd 13 Street in Harrison; SP-36-05, New Cingular Wireless 14 PCS, LLC at 7112 Park Avenue, North Bergen; SP-38-05, 15 New Cingular Wireless PCS, LLC at 613 4th Street in 16 Hoboken; SP-39-05, New Cingular Wireless PCS, LLC at 17 415 Montgomery Street, Jersey City; SP-41-05, Jersey 18 City Investors, LLC at Jersey Avenue, Block 60.12, 19 Lot 3 in Jersey City; and finally, Mr. Chairman, 20 SP-43-05, Hugo Neu Schnitzer East at the Foot of 21 Linden Avenue in Jersey City. 22 Mr. Chairman, these applications were 23 declared to be exempt at the Site Plan and 24 Subdivision Review Committee. 25 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 21 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Can I have a motion? 2 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll make a 3 motion to declare those applications exempt. 4 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: I'll second it. 5 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 6 made by Commissioner Choffo and seconded by 7 Commissioner Liggio -- let the record reflect that 8 Commissioner Mary Avagliano has joined the Planning 9 Board -- Commissioner Avagliano? 10 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I abstain, 11 but I'm sorry, I forgot the meeting was 6:00 o'clock 12 tonight. I thought it was seven, so Mr. Chairman is 13 going to be removed one of these days, because I 14 would have been here at six had I read my notes, and 15 you spoke with me this morning, you should have told 16 me. I forgot. I'm downstairs talking to the woman 17 by the door. I come up, I said what the hell's he 18 sitting up there for. Sorry, but I'm here. Put on 19 the record that I was here and am excused. 20 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Bettinger? 21 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Aye. 22 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Jasek? 23 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 24 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 25 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 22 MONTHLY MEETING 1 MR. MARKS: And Chairman Holloway? 2 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 3 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 4 passes. 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 6 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, that seems 7 to conclude the matters on the Agenda. If I could 8 turn your attention to the -- pass this down for me. 9 If I could turn your attention to the folders that 10 were handed out earlier this evening. The third item 11 in the folder, as per Commissioner Mehta at the last 12 Planning Board meeting requested an update on the 13 consulting engineers. It was discussed at that time 14 that an RFP would be generated, to go out and be 15 circulated among professional engineers so that the 16 Board could have professional expertise to 17 specifically review traffic reports and drainage 18 calculations without burdening the already 19 overstrained county engineering staff, so this is 20 just a matter of information. If the Planning Board 21 Commissioners could take a look at it, perhaps at the 22 next meeting, if it's approved for circulation, then 23 the RFP could be let and we could seek qualified 24 professional engineering consultants to provide 25 additional expertise and assistance to the County 23 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Planning Board. 2 The second, the next item, the Planning 3 Board, the County Planning Board in January conducted 4 a Public Hearing on the Hudson River Waterfront 5 Walkway Plan. On February 16th of this year the 6 Planning Board endorsed and recommended the Hudson 7 River Waterfront Walkway Implementation Plan, which 8 was accepted by the Freeholder Board on March 24th. 9 The plan was submitted to the New Jersey Planning 10 Officials Association for an award and achievement in 11 planning, and it's a statewide organization which 12 actually reviewed the Hudson River Waterfront Walkway 13 Plan and has chosen it for their 2005 award. If 14 anybody is interested, the following page has the 15 registration, for those interested, and if anybody is 16 interested in attending the conference and ceremony, 17 please see me. It's a nice accolade to Hudson County 18 and to this Board as well. 19 And the final item is the copy of the New 20 Jersey Planner monthly newsletter, which is the 21 organization which is presenting the award. 22 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 23 MR. MARKS: That concludes my spiel. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I guess we can 25 adjourn. 24 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, I 2 have one item. 3 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I'm sorry. 4 COMMISSIONER JASEK: We have three 5 applicants which had received resolutions from this 6 Board and they don't follow-up on the conditions. I 7 have given to our attorney the draft of the letter 8 from Essex County Engineer. 9 We are talking about Coach House, who started 10 construction without, without Board approval. They 11 already received a summons through the Sheriff's 12 Office. We need to send them a letter that this is a 13 practice we don't approve. 14 The second one is FDP. 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Excuse me a 16 second. 17 I don't have the letter. Do we have -- 18 MR. CALVANICO: Mr. Jasek just gave me 19 some notes that were done by the Assistant County 20 Engineer. I'll put the letters together for the 21 three applicants and copy them. 22 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER JASEK: I'm sorry. I 24 said letter. It was just notes. 25 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Okay. Sorry. 25 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Notes stating the 2 problem. 3 The second one is FDP. It's a company who 4 makes that mess on Secaucus Road. They are bringing 5 millions and millions of cubic feet of the dirt 6 there, and upon approval last year, or maybe even the 7 year before that, there was a condition that they 8 have to work with the County Engineer's Office on 9 improvement to our pumping facility along the Berry 10 Creek. Since they destroyed about 270 acres of the 11 wetlands, they interfere -- according to the permit, 12 they had a permit for it, but the site has increased 13 so tremendously, that every time it rains we have a 14 problem. Secaucus Road by the railroad bridge is 15 always flooded and it is strictly on account to these 16 people. We had a meeting with them a few months ago 17 and they strictly refused to do anything. They say, 18 well, we have two year's time, we are in court, 19 nobody knows what will happen. In the meantime, they 20 are doing nothing, so we need to send them a strong 21 letter that, according to the resolution, so and so, 22 they have obligation to do that. 23 The third, the new market being built on 51st 24 Street and Kennedy Boulevard in North Bergen, they 25 had obligations to do some modification to the 26 MONTHLY MEETING 1 traffic light. 2 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Submit the plans 4 to the County Engineer, we will have it approved by 5 DOT and then they can do the modification. They are 6 just not responding, so we need to -- 7 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: That's CBS, 8 right? 9 MR. JASEK: CBS. 10 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Just 11 clarification, Bob Jasek just mentioned, that 12 property is in West New York, not in North Bergen. 13 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Thank you. You 14 are correct on that. 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: In the past what 16 did we do with situations like that, or this is the 17 first time? Do you happen to know? 18 COMMISSIONER JASEK: No. It's not the 19 first time. This Board does not have any power to 20 enforce, so we send them a letter through the 21 attorney. If he doesn't help, then we have to go 22 through the local Building Department to deny them a 23 CO. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Can I ask you a 25 question? Do we have inspectors that actually look 27 MONTHLY MEETING 1 at these sites after we approve them or just 2 something we came across? 3 COMMISSIONER JASEK: No. We are 4 watching this, which they're supposed to come back to 5 us, and besides, I have road inspectors on the road, 6 so they keep their eyes open. 7 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 8 Commissioners have any more questions 9 concerning this matter? 10 I guess we can adjourn. 11 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Well, I think I 12 was reading what you prepared and in this one you 13 mentioned that on April 20th the meeting was supposed 14 to introduce this RFP in our resolution. 15 MR. MARKS: If, if it pleases -- it's 16 basically introduced to you and if approved at the 17 next meeting, if you have any comments or 18 suggestions, I'd be happy to take them, and at the 19 next meeting, if approved, the RFP could be let, but 20 basically as a point of introduction. I didn't want 21 to spring it on anybody, you have a month to, you 22 know, take a look at it, and I'd be happy to 23 entertain any suggestions. 24 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: I have one 25 question. 28 MONTHLY MEETING 1 When was the last time we had a contract with 2 the consulting engineer? Was it -- do you know when 3 it was, Bob? 4 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Must be at least 5 five, seven years. 6 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: That long? 7 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Since we are not 8 using county money, it kind of slipped, because, 9 practically, the money comes from the escrow from the 10 applicant, so I talked about it with Steve months ago 11 and I recommend to him to renew this contract so 12 everything is in the proper order. 13 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Because I recall 14 we used to use T&M. I think they used to do 15 consulting work. 16 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Yes. 17 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: How were they 18 being paid? Were they under contract or was that a 19 county contract? 20 COMMISSIONER JASEK: No. The money 21 from the escrow or deposit in the escrow within the 22 county, and they are paid from the escrow account, so 23 county just passes through. We used to have two of 24 them, Schoor DePalma and T&M. Last five years T&M 25 has been the major consultant. First, they're, 29 MONTHLY MEETING 1 they're, they're familiar with Hudson County, and, 2 second, in my view, they do a good job. 3 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: But we never had 4 a contract with them? 5 COMMISSIONER JASEK: No. We didn't 6 have a formal contract. 7 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Any more 8 questions? 9 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Excuse me. 10 T&M has been helping out right along. Can we not 11 consider having their recommendations in the future? 12 I think they're a nice little company, T&M. 13 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Steve? 14 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, T&M may be 15 an excellent company, but they've been working 16 without a contract for the last five years, so to be 17 proper and to be in line with the local contract law 18 and with freeholders' policy, we have to let an 19 RFP -- 20 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Understood. 21 Any more questions? 22 Commissioner Mehta. 23 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Chairman, on the 24 issue of what Bob Jasek suggested about the 25 construction going on without Planning Board's 30 MONTHLY MEETING 1 approval, in the past, also in the couple of counties 2 a couple of issues came, and I will request our 3 attorney to draft a general letter that when we 4 approve any project, it always says that approval on 5 basis of the local approval, so while the local 6 ordinance, local or town official doesn't see that, 7 you can say the Hudson County has the approval or 8 not. 9 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, we 10 have notified local construction officials many and 11 many times, and if they changed, we notified again, 12 and if there is anything on the county road, and we 13 gave them the map of the county road, please notify 14 us, so first, we know if somebody's digging the road 15 or if somebody is building around it, so we need to 16 know that. It always works for little while, and 17 after that, if we don't catch them, we don't know 18 that. 19 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: So we're saying 20 that the towns really do not have to officially tell 21 us or tell the applicant? 22 COMMISSIONER JASEK: They should tell 23 the applicant and ask them to do so. 24 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: If we can send, 25 like a general reminder letter to all the local 31 MONTHLY MEETING 1 boards, towns, then it will be appreciated, because I 2 know because I'm sitting on the North Bergen Board of 3 Adjustment, also, and North Bergen Board of 4 Adjustment we got the problem of that 61st Street 5 laundromat. Because of that problem now we are 6 making sure, or our attorney make sure, that, that if 7 anything related to the county road, County Planning 8 Board has to be notified. If not, we postpone these 9 things and we never leave that item. Why can't we 10 notify all the local boards and say that, please, you 11 can make a notice of it? 12 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Steve? 13 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner 14 Jasek is right in that the county continually asks 15 the municipalities to have their applicants before 16 their planning boards and zoning boards, even their 17 construction boards submit applications to the County 18 Planning Board for anything involving county roads or 19 county drainage. As a matter of course, we have sent 20 applications to all 12 municipalities, and even for 21 public notice purposes, copies of the agendas of 22 these meetings go out to the municipal clerks, the 23 planning board, municipal planning board secretaries 24 for all 12 towns and the construction officials for 25 those towns, and both formally, informally, and 32 MONTHLY MEETING 1 informally we ask the municipalities to have their, 2 their applicants and permittees fill out applications 3 for anything involving a county road. 4 Having said that, I received a call earlier 5 this week, I think it was Monday, from an exasperated 6 gentleman in Hoboken who received Hoboken Zoning 7 Board approval six months ago, nine months ago, and 8 he had his financing in order, he was having his 9 materials delivered, he went for the road opening 10 permit only to be told that, I think it was First 11 Street is a county road, and he's like, you know, you 12 people, you know, this is more bureaucracy and 13 whatever else. I said, sir, don't lay the blame at 14 our feet, you should really hold the Hoboken Zoning 15 Board accountable, they did you a disservice by not 16 giving you the proper applications and notice that 17 your property was on a county road, so he was going 18 to go back and give them an earful, but -- and the 19 same thing happens with, with the applicant for 20 Skylar Avenue in Kearny. The Commissioners may 21 remember six months or so ago the application, the 22 house was three-quarters built, like a two or four 23 family house, three-quarters built, and only when 24 they wanted to redo the, I guess the curb-cut were 25 they, did they realize that Skylar Avenue was a 33 MONTHLY MEETING 1 county road. Again, we said please make a complaint 2 to the Kearny Zoning Board of Adjustment because they 3 did you a disservice and it's costing you time and 4 money by having it, you know, basically come before 5 us when you could have taken care of business months 6 ago, so it's systematic, and it's something by method 7 that we ask both applicants and municipalities to 8 consider when they're approving applications, to give 9 it a look, see if it's a county road. You know, they 10 should, but it still doesn't happen. 11 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I agree with 12 Commissioner, that maybe we could have our counsel 13 draw up a letter again, as stern as possible, to see 14 what we can do with that. 15 MR. CALVANICO: All right. 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Is there any laws 17 that municipalities have to tell them, is there 18 anything that's in the books that says that they must 19 tell the applicant if they're close to a county 20 road? 21 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Yes. I think 22 when, any time any applicant come in front of the 23 local board, they are to submit legal notice saying 24 that there's additional legal notice to the 25 surrounding neighborhood, and if a county road comes 34 MONTHLY MEETING 1 within the 200 feet of that applicant's area, then 2 they have to show whether certificate of legal notice 3 was shown to the Planning Board or not, because 4 without that certification, usually -- like our Board 5 of Adjustment doesn't take the application, so why 6 can't we enforce that rule, saying that if, when it 7 is a state law, like, they have to send a notice to 8 the DOT. Same thing, it's a county road. Why they 9 don't have to have legal notice to the Planning 10 Board? 11 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Tom, if you could, 12 a little homework for your first -- could you 13 research that for us and find out what we could do as 14 a Board? 15 MR. CALVANICO: Yeah, sure. I'll be 16 glad to look at it. It's probably more a question 17 of, you know, the practical affect of it, you know, 18 if somebody files an application and, you know, they 19 do their, they get the notice and it comes in within 20 200 feet of the county road, they may not realize 21 it's a county road, you know. There's no reason to 22 suspect that First Street in Hoboken is a county 23 road, but it is. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: It's obligation. 25 MR. CALVANICO: Kennedy Boulevard's a 35 MONTHLY MEETING 1 different story, but some of these other places, it's 2 not as easy to tell. It's not such a simple task. 3 The applicant who, you know, may just be putting up a 4 garage next to his house, you know, what impact on a 5 county road -- 6 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: Could I just add 7 one thing? 8 I think all the towns have been so busy with 9 all the new construction and all expansion and road 10 work that when someone comes in that's putting a 11 two-family house on a county road, they're not 12 necessarily talking -- like in Kearny, Mike Martello, 13 who's the Construction Official, they're going in to 14 get an application from the secretary. They're so 15 overworked, they're going to say, here, you need an 16 application for that. It doesn't belong on that 17 secretary's -- Skylar is a county road. Notices like 18 Commissioner Mehta's saying, you know, every six 19 months, a year -- 20 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: To make them aware 21 of it. 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: To make them 23 aware. 24 I know in Harrison the Construction Official 25 is pretty adamant about Passaic Avenue, but he tries 36 MONTHLY MEETING 1 to get the word out. 2 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I believe we have 3 one or two letters, I think due diligence can -- 4 MR. CALVANICO: Maybe we can make it 5 simple. We'll provide them a list of all county 6 roads. We can attach it, put it up on their boards 7 next to the secretary so she can look at it, see each 8 town, you know. We can work on it. We can certainly 9 draw it to their attention, you know. If they -- we 10 can't control whether they respond or not, but we can 11 certainly provide them with a notice. 12 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: I don't mean to 13 send a notice, but just like a reminder type of 14 letter which can remind jurisdictions of the County 15 Planning Board, and I am -- I have to say that North 16 Bergen construction people, they are very good and 17 very, very -- they show the proper, very proper -- 18 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Excuse me. 19 Steve, I was under the impression that perhaps, you 20 know, you'll know the answer. Wasn't the 21 administration, maybe even through your office, 22 redoing the county map, a county map similar to the 23 one that was done, you know, a number of years ago 24 which showed county roads and all? 25 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, this is a 37 MONTHLY MEETING 1 sore point. We requested that the county maps be 2 printed last year and the county maps were not 3 printed last year. Instead of going out this year 4 for a regular paper map, my office has been 5 generating a GIS, geographic information systems map 6 where everything is digitized, and we're probably 7 about two or three months away from completing the 8 road map. It would be, that GIS map product would be 9 owned by the County of Hudson and we could print it 10 at will. The previous county road maps were -- 11 actually, the map itself was zoned by whatever map 12 company printed it, whatever it be, Geographia in 13 Weehawken or Map Graph, there are several map 14 companies out there. It jacked up the cost of the 15 county map and at the end of the day we didn't own 16 the actual map itself, we owned the back of the map 17 with the pictures and telephone numbers and street 18 index, but we didn't actually own the front of the 19 map, so my office is hoping to complete a new county 20 map which is digitized and have it out on the street 21 hopefully by June. 22 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Will that be in 23 hard copy? 24 MR. MARKS: I'm sorry. 25 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Hard copy map 38 MONTHLY MEETING 1 or -- 2 MR. MARKS: Well, before the map could 3 be approved, we'd want to informally send it to all 4 the municipalities, have all the municipalities sign 5 off on it, approve it and then there's a slightly 6 cumbersome legal process. I was just reading about 7 it today, by statute with the County Planning Board 8 actually adopting a map, and what I would like to do, 9 enter the 21st Centry and the digital age, go through 10 the official process and have this Board officially 11 adopt a new digital map, so it requires some public 12 notice, which it's 20 days, and then you have to do 13 first reading, second reading, so on and so forth, 14 and at the end of the day, have the Freeholder Board 15 approve it, so to give you a long answer to a short 16 question, we're working on it. 17 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I appreciate your 18 office trying to put this new program together. 19 Can we make sure that when you do send them 20 to the municipalities, that they review it and not 21 put it on the back burner so we don't have to talk 22 about this next year? 23 MR. MARKS: Right. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 25 Any more questions? 39 MONTHLY MEETING 1 MR. CALVANICO: Mr. Chair, before you 2 adjourn, Mr. Chairman, I'd just like to say thank you 3 for the vote of confidence on the Board. I'll do my 4 best to represent you well, and if anyone has any 5 questions or any issues at any time, just feel free 6 to call me. I'll provide everyone with all my phone 7 numbers and information and look forward to working 8 together with everyone. 9 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Tom. 10 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: I just would 11 like to add one thing. 12 I'm sure that the resolution has to be 13 approved by the Board of Freeholders before it comes, 14 you know, official, but, you know, I look forward to 15 putting a motion on the floor when that does come 16 before us. Probably will be next week. 17 MR. MARKS: It should be next week. 18 The County Administrator is meeting with the Chair 19 tomorrow, so it should be next week. 20 Mr. Chairman, also, the former Planning Board 21 Attorney, Arthur Glatman, his contract expired 22 February 28th, 2005. He has been working, actually, 23 up until today without a contract and it's -- I was, 24 I should have brought this up earlier. It should be 25 recommended by this Board to the Freeholder Board to 40 MONTHLY MEETING 1 renew that contract for the two-month period that Mr. 2 Glatman had worked so he's not out, so if I could, I 3 don't know if -- there's no resolution on the Agenda, 4 but if I could have the Board approve that so Mr. 5 Glatman can be fairly compensated for his work. 6 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Can I have a 7 motion? 8 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll make a 9 motion to extend Arthur Glatman's contract from -- 10 what was the date? 11 MR. MARKS: February 28th, 2005 to 12 April 20th. 13 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: To April 20th. 14 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I'll second 15 it. 16 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, on a motion 17 made by Commissioner Choffo and seconded by 18 Commissioner Avagliano: 19 Commissioner Bettinger? 20 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Aye. 21 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Jasek? 22 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Aye. 23 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Liggio? 24 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Aye. 25 MR. MARKS: Commissioner Mehta? 41 MONTHLY MEETING 1 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Aye. 2 MR. MARKS: And Chairman Holloway? 3 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Aye. 4 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, the motion 5 passes. 6 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Thank you. 7 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Mr. Chairman, 8 before we close, is there anything that the Board can 9 do to show our appreciation to Arthur, some kind of a 10 resolution? 11 MR. MARKS: We could do a plaque or a 12 resolution, whatever. 13 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Yeah, that would 14 be nice. 15 MR. MARKS: Okay. Mr. Glatman was 16 Planning Board Attorney I believe since 1991. Mr. 17 Jasek? 18 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: A long time. 19 COMMISSIONER JASEK: A long time. 20 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Yeah, around 14, 21 15 years, so good, we appreciate by plaque. 22 MR. MARKS: Sure. I could go to 23 Trenton Crown Trophy and pick that up. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: We appreciate 25 that. 42 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Before I adjourn, is there any more 2 questions? 3 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Yes, Mr. 4 Chairman. 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Yes. 6 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I received my 7 Agenda yesterday at 2:00 p.m. I didn't have a chance 8 to read it because I was on two tours yesterday and, 9 two walking tours, came back at three, so when I came 10 in, I, I was wondering why all those cars, I figured, 11 that's great, and I didn't realize it was 6:00 12 o'clock. I did not read this Agenda until this 13 evening. If there's a possibility, I think we should 14 receive it a week before, because I'd really like to 15 go over the applications and check them out myself, 16 like I usually do. I like to go from one building to 17 another and see if there are any comments or 18 something, but I didn't see this until I come in 19 this -- and then I would also like to see -- I've 20 been a friend of Arthur Glatman's for 20, 25 years, 21 as much as I have with Tom Calvanico, we're both in 22 the same boat since the eighties, and I've enjoyed 23 his company. He has been very educational about 24 planning and he's really had a tough year. He's had 25 four major deaths in his family. I happened to see 43 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Mr. Glatman last week in the Jersey City Planning 2 Board at which time he just come out of the hospital, 3 and, also, he could not move his fingers on his right 4 hand. I was a little disturbed about that. I felt 5 very bad for him, but I am sure -- and I hope that 6 something is being done to help him, because he needs 7 some help. He's gone through a very bad year. In 8 fact, his mother-in-law had a very bad time, that his 9 wife had to fly to London for eight days and he was 10 tied up with the three children and also the 11 housekeeper, and I really felt sorry for him. If 12 there was anything I could do for Arthur, I will go 13 out of my way, as I will do also for Tom Calvanico, 14 because I know him a long time. When I was a council 15 person on the Jersey City Planning Board, both shared 16 the meetings with me and both, I gave both credit for 17 all the information that I learned from them, just 18 like my mentor, Mr. Jasek, on engineering. I don't 19 think I could learn as much with engineering other 20 than Mr. Jasek, but that's all right, you're married, 21 Mr. Jasek, you don't worry, but, anyway, I just feel 22 bad and I hope something is done. It's nice that Mr. 23 Calvanico is with us, because I feel just as home 24 because I know him, also, but if something can be 25 done with Mr. Glatman, he's really gone through a 44 MONTHLY MEETING 1 very bad year. I've been keeping up with him and I 2 really don't -- in fact, this morning when I heard 3 that, you know, he wasn't going to be here, I really 4 felt bad. I really had a bad day today. I don't 5 know how I did it, but I did. 6 I didn't receive my Agenda until this 7 afternoon. Possibly a week before, I'd like to 8 receive it, I think. Anybody else agree? 9 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: I brought 10 this up earlier, Mary. 11 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I got my packet 12 yesterday, late. 13 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chair, if I could just 14 respond. 15 The Site Plan and Subdivision Review 16 Committee met on Tuesday and the packages were only 17 prepared beginning Wednesday. They did go out last 18 week. I don't know what the, what the problem, maybe 19 our mail room or -- I don't know what the problem 20 is. I'm not making any excuses. Perhaps we can move 21 the Site Plan Review Committee back a week, which 22 would give, allow plenty of time. 23 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I was going to 24 suggest that, at least a week time to look at it. 25 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: Another thing I 45 MONTHLY MEETING 1 can say is that everybody, even now, the Agenda's 2 front page, at least you can e-mail the people and 3 let them know what is on the Agenda, and address, 4 just the addresses and the other information, you can 5 put it in the mail. 6 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Steve, I only 7 received this small, small packet, which should be at 8 least 3.50. You paid 7.90 to -- well, the County 9 paid 7.90 to mail this to me. Something is either 10 wrong with the machine in the County or something -- 11 7.90 to mail this to me. I could have picked it up 12 at the County, because I'm there -- yesterday I was 13 there twice after my walking tour. I could have 14 picked this up. It's not worth 7.90, because I could 15 have picked it up. Believe me, I would have had it 16 and gone over the medical center building they're 17 going to put up, because I notice that's going to go 18 up and I really wanted to comment on that. 19 MR. MARKS: The minutes should have 20 been included in the package which would have been -- 21 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Still wasn't 22 7.90. In fact, my husband said to me, gee, you got 23 to get a new machine maybe. 24 MR. MARKS: Sorry. 25 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: We'll straighten 46 MONTHLY MEETING 1 it out. We're going to straighten it out. 2 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Thank you, 3 Mr. Chairman. 4 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: We're going to 5 straighten it out. 6 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Thank you, 7 Mr. Chairman. 8 MR. MARKS: The packages went out of 9 my office last week. I don't know if they got to the 10 mail room too late and stayed there over the 11 weekend. I don't know. I can't give you a 12 satisfactory answer because I don't know, but perhaps 13 we can move the Site Plan Committee back a week, 14 which would give everybody, I think, more time. 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: If we do that, 16 we'll have enough time. 17 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: A week 18 before, at least, or Friday, so you have Saturday and 19 Sunday to peruse through it. 20 MR. MARKS: I totally agree. The 21 Committee Meeting was Tuesday. We prepared the 22 packages beginning Wednesday. They should have gone 23 out of my office Thursday, but there's no excuse for 24 the Commissioners receiving them yesterday. 25 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I spoke to 47 MONTHLY MEETING 1 Janet yesterday morning at 11:00 o'clock. I didn't 2 think we had a meeting because I was out with the 3 freeholder and he said to me, oh, by the way, are we 4 having a meeting tomorrow night, I said I doubt it, I 5 didn't get my Agenda, so evidently, he didn't get his 6 yet. That's why he's not here and that's how -- 7 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Mary, this is 8 definitely not going to happen again. 9 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Mr. Chairman, 10 I have the right to say two words. I was late 11 tonight. 12 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Definitely. 13 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: You made the 14 time change, so I can talk. 15 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I can say to the 16 record that the time's going to change from six to 17 seven. 18 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: No. Not 19 again. 20 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: To regular time. 21 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: We're going 22 back to 7:00 o'clock? 23 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Good. 24 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Why? What 25 happened? 48 MONTHLY MEETING 1 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: It's too hard for 2 everybody. 3 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: I can make 4 6:00 o'clock. 5 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I thought I was 6 doing the Commissioners a favor. 7 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: No. No. I'm 8 going to make 6:00 o'clock, but I went walking and I 9 didn't -- but I will be here at six any time and 10 there will be no more walking tours. 11 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Can I make a 12 motion to adjourn the meeting? 13 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: I second it. 14 COMMISSIONER JASEK: Mr. Chairman, we 15 go back to six or to seven? 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: No. From six to 17 seven. 18 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: We're going 19 to meet again at seven? 20 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: 7:00 o'clock. 21 MR. MARKS: 7:00 p.m. 22 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I could do six. 23 I couldn't get here on time today. I couldn't get 24 out of Harrison. 25 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Is six all right 49 MONTHLY MEETING 1 with everyone? 2 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: No. It's not 3 for me. 4 COMMISSIONER MEHTA: For me, you know, 5 it's always a problem, but I don't want to complain. 6 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: You have a problem 7 to go back to seven? 8 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'll do either 9 one. 10 COMMISSIONER LIGGIO: Either one for 11 me, too. 12 COMMISSIONER CHOFFO: I'm flexible. 13 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: Next meeting is 14 7:00 o'clock. 15 MR. MARKS: 7:00. 16 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: If I had known -- 17 MR. MARKS: Mr. Chairman, can I 18 suggest 6:30? 19 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Yeah, we 20 could do 6:30. 21 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: 6:30. 22 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: How about 23 6:30? Let's compromise. 24 CHAIRMAN HOLLOWAY: 6:30 it is. Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: 6:30 in red 50 MONTHLY MEETING 1 on the letterhead, so we'll all know it's 6:30. 2 How's that? 3 COMMISSIONER BETTINGER: Highlight it, 4 Steve. 5 COMMISSIONER AVAGLIANO: Highlight it. 6 (At 7:15 p.m., proceedings were concluded.) 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 51 1 2 C E R T I F I C A T E 3 I, MICHELLE GRUENDEL, a Notary Public and 4 Certified Shorthand Reporter of the State of New 5 Jersey do hereby CERTIFY that the foregoing is a true 6 and accurate transcript of the testimony as taken 7 stenographically by and before me at the time, place 8 and on the date hereinbefore set forth, to the best 9 of my ability. 10 I DO FURTHER TESTIFY that I am neither 11 a relative, nor employee, nor attorney, nor counsel 12 of any parties to this action, and that I am neither 13 a relative nor employee of such attorney or counsel, 14 and that I am not financially interested in the 15 action. 16 17 18 MICHELLE GRUENDEL, C.S.R. 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